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I have been looking at both the AC 715 & AC 816 Backhoes for about a year now.  If these are good solid units, I would like to acquire one in the next year or two?  There seems to be more Case 580s and Deere 310s available, but not too many of these ACs.  I have ran a Case 580 before, but I have never ran either AC machine.  Is there anything on the ACs that a guy needs to watch out for?  Are the cabs convenient or a nuisance?  Which is the better model - 715 or 816?  I would like to use it for field tile repair, shed building foundation work, & pond digging.  I see where a 816 weighs 15,500 lbs.  What does a 715 weigh?

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I have a 1982 / 715B-D with full cab/ROPS and Dig-More extenda-hoe. I have liked the machine as it is quick response on the hoe and has plenty of power on the bucket.  Visibility is a small problem on loader but one gets use to where the bucket is. The 715 has around 70HP.
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  AC machines were few and not popular as dealer network was small, the price on units should be well below a Case or Ford. When I bought mine it was like $5,000 less than a 555 Ford of same condition.
  Wear on any hoe or loader is a problem , watch the pin and bushing areas for excess slop. I have rebushed my loader once and on hoe some twice. Broke one swing cylinder, and cracked loader frame on both sides using it in below 0 on snow removal.
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I have a 816. like it was talked about in the first post. Loader frames we not plated good enough. mine has been welded and it is hard to judge loader draft and pitch. Lots of power at the loader and hoe. I have fair tires and it still has a little problem with getting stuck. just be the waight and sand. I have a motorola altenator will be putting a delco system in.  The stearing will wounder when the machine is bouncing around. I gave $5300 for the one I have and think it is a fare price.

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I have never ran an 816. I own a 918 and have used a 715 B. It took a little time to get used to the bucket on the 715, but after awhile it was okay. The 715 dug well and seemed a good machine. I have fist opportunity on it when the present owner retires.
My 918 is a lot bigger machine. It will easily dig 18ft. deep and will carry well over 7000lbs. in the bucket. Has enough power to act like a small dozer, but gets stuck in the mud fast. Lots of weight for a two wheel drive machine. I bought the 918 because it was rare(they only made about 300), and it does well, but is a little too big. It doesn't have any patches, was plated well, if anything it is overbuilt.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Calvin Schmidt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Sep 2009 at 6:49am
I had a 715 for 10 years and traded for a 715 B with an extend-a-hoe 22 years ago.
I think that it is one of the best two wheel drive backhoes built. This was a working hoe that dug hundreds of silo foundations. Since we sold the farm silo business it has semi retired to farm duty. It has only had minor repairs in 22 years.

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