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screw it out and hook it to a battery with the body grounded. Use big wire....it will turn red if working.
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Freeze plug you want is at the rear side of the block. Quite a few things need to be removed to install a block heater but it does the best job.
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careful with them propane heaters, they tend to fall over when kicked or bouncing on uneven ground. but i have used them in combine cabs before that didn't have a cab heater.
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Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

screw it out and hook it to a battery with the body grounded. Use big wire....it will turn red if working.


Thank-you!  I will do that today.
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Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

careful with them propane heaters, they tend to fall over when kicked or bouncing on uneven ground. but i have used them in combine cabs before that didn't have a cab heater.


I've seen them with the head mounted on the roof, supply line ran outside to the tank.  Not really wanting to do that.  I have a nice propane heater that keeps an ice shack in the middle of winter warm enough to wear short sleeved shirts.  Using that could work, it's small enough but it's a last resort I feel for me.  I am looking at:
for a more permanent installation.  Cab heat right now is not my priority though, having the ability to start this old gal is my priority.  Summer got away from me, this cold crap hit a little quicker than expected.  She will not start now without a shot of ether and I *hate* that, it's not good for any engine.

As much as I hate to say it, I'm getting older.  I have used open stations to clean the driveway for years but the cold is really getting to me last couple years, so I need a cab.  If I can't get this figured out, I will see what I can sell her for, take that $$ and trade in a kubota for a tractor with cab/heat/block-heater and front snow blower.

I've thought about building an open ended shed next to the house, sized to be able to drive the 190 in to cover over the top hood up to cab with cut-out for exhaust pipe, covered front/sides and park her in there.  Shove a torpedo heater then there and let a rip for a couple hours before use.  This is a last resort, might end up selling her before I get to that.... freaking price of lumber is absolutely NUTS right now.

Thanks for the answers.  I still think finding the freezeplug is my best shot.
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Ugggg, that ugly cwap is now here.... more to come Thursday.... I soooo wanted to be gone before this hit......   sigh....
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They also make a magnetic block heater.  I've never tried one, but I have heard good things about them.  Put one on the block and one on the pan?
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  Does anyone make a kit so you can put defroster lines on a window.
 That would cure your visability problem,
 without using much power.

 Puts the solution where the problem is.
 I'm kind of surprised they don't put defroster lines in car windshields.

 Heated seats and steering wheel would solve the rest.
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Originally posted by Ted J Ted J wrote:

They also make a magnetic block heater.  I've never tried one, but I have heard good things about them.  Put one on the block and one on the pan?


I have one of those, put it on the pan, this morn I plugged it in for 2 hours and felt it.  Felt a little warm so I gave 'er a whirl, no go.  I am leaving it plugged in all night and will try again thurs morn but I don't think it's enough heat.  We'll see.

Put my Mr Heater in cab for SnGs and pretty soon I was able to work on dash wiring in short-sleeves.  Not really enough room in there for that on the floor and operate her, too big.

Removed the manifold heater, used jumper cables straight to bat and she got real hot real quick so that's a good heater.  When I hit the switch it does not give power to the solenoid to put power to the heater so either wiring problem or bad switch.  A quick wire to a toggle switch on the dash to solenoid should solve that problem for now.  LOL, just one more problem to work on, yeesh.

Found the freeze plug on rt side of engine, I think.  It's behind the starter solenoid, would have to remove a couple lines but that is no problem, looks easy enough.  Only thing I'm wondering, on the agco illustrations, it shows the block heater is an oval unit held on by 2 bolts.  The freeze-plug is just that, a plug, no bolts/screws to hold it in.  If I'm looking at it right, where could I find a block heater to go in there and is that the correct placement?
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Ether isn’t bad for engines, in fact it’s recommend from most all manufacturers. Be sure to use an atomizer if using a hard plumbed system. The problem is users use too much and it breaks a piston or runs away. Understand what you use and how to use it correctly no matter what you go with. A grid or intake heater won’t be the magic solution and don’t use it when using ether, I have seen the combination blow an intake manifold clean off the head. Coolant heater is the best for what you want to do weather it’s a soft plug or circulation heater.

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ND...look on the right side (passenger side looking forward) and see if there is a flat steel plate held on the block with 2 bolts. that is where you put your block heater in if there is one. i have a KATS tank heater on my 190XT, but it doesn't work very well. also...i've seen some put plywood on each side of the engine to keep heat in, not sure how the heat would get back to you in then cab tho. 
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Don't think the 2 bolt plate is on older 190's....
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The local carrot grower had a 4230 JD that would get a bit cranky on a cold morning, of course, what we here call a cold morning and what you guys call a cold morning is probably the difference of 50 degrees or more, but any way, the Mexican boys would gather up a bit of old cottonwood and build a small fire right under the oil pan, cook their breakfast tortillas and by the time they were done the oil was hot and the tractor would start and off they went, no kidding. I guess you just gotta know howLOL
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Here is my complete post of what I ran into when installing a block heater on an older 190xt that does not have the block heater port.  I have another post where I failed the first time because it leaked.  I incorrectly referred to it as a frost plug heater.


This block heater works great that I used and am happy with it!

I have the stopler cab and believe I had the original cab heater.  The heater was disconnected from the rubber hose coming out of the engine block and I never tested it so I removed it.  It looks easy to setup the hoses coming out of the engine though.

Good luck on whatever you do!  I drive by a 185 that has sat outside for at least 10 years, but the guy uses it each year to bale hay.  The paint is almost white faded.  That is a tough old tractor.  None of his hay equipment has ever seen the inside of the barn either for the 10 years I have been driving by it.

Starting a fire underneath a tractor to get it started is crazy, but they didn't own it and I guess they had a job to do.
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Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

Don't think the 2 bolt plate is on older 190's....


I bet your right!  Mines a 1965, I have searched every inch, left/right side and there is no oval plate with 2 bolts that I can find.  That is not saying it does not exist, just saying I can't find it, that's why I'm asking for help.  I did find what appears to be a frost plug over/behind the starter solenoid.  All I'm asking for is a conformation from anyone that would know as I'm not sure.  The 2 bolt block heater agco shows has to be for an older model.  If one of the experienced allis guys knows, PLEASE inform me.

I've heard about guys using the ether injector along with the manifold heater, never a good outcome so I do know that's a no-no.

Lots of good info about cab heat, what I really need to know is about the block heater.

Thanks y'all!
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My previous post should clear it all up for you on block heater.
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Originally posted by calico190xt68 calico190xt68 wrote:

Here is my complete post of what I ran into when installing a block heater on an older 190xt that does not have the block heater port.  I have another post where I failed the first time because it leaked.  I incorrectly referred to it as a frost plug heater.

I have the stopler cab and believe I had the original cab heater.


Thank-you, I'll read it.  Mines the stopler cab too, but there's no heat/air in it.  There's a hole in the top where I suspect it had one at one time.

Thank-you!

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Originally posted by calico190xt68 calico190xt68 wrote:

Here is my complete post of what I ran into


Just read it, tytytytyty, you told me exactly what I needed.  It gets well below zero here Jan/Feb time frame, this might help her start up.  If I have to use the sealant, curing right now might be fun.... LOL
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Good luck.  Hopefully your core plug hole won't be oblong like mine.  That really made the job a pain in the butt.  I have used a hair dryer to help sealant setup if it gets cold. 

You are going to be happy with that block heater and manifold heater working.   

As long as you have diesel fuel treatment, all should be good.  I can only imagine how cold it gets in ND compared to Indiana.

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Originally posted by calico190xt68 calico190xt68 wrote:

Good luck.  Hopefully your core plug hole won't be oblong like mine.  That really made the job a pain in the butt.  I have used a hair dryer to help sealant setup if it gets cold. 

You are going to be happy with that block heater and manifold heater working.   

As long as you have diesel fuel treatment, all should be good.  I can only imagine how cold it gets in ND compared to Indiana.



Thanks!  Yea, I grew up southwest of Indianapolis.  Your right..... the temps here are hellishly cold in winter.  Wife and my jobs are finished, both retired now, we soooo want to go south for the winter but covid screwed that up this year.
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Originally posted by Tad Wicks Tad Wicks wrote:

Take a look at the older Same Frutettos, they had an air cooled Lambordini engine so they had two alternators to run an electric heater and AC unit, the Deutz Allis with the aircooled engine might be similar. Should none of that work, may be a smudge pot on the roofSmile
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