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bobkyllo
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: minnesota Points: 1514 |
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Posted: 06 May 2020 at 7:57pm |
I had a Hyundai Santa Fe come in on the hook the other day. front wheel fell off. I got to looking at it and noticed the engine cradle/sub frame was rotted out where the lower a arm mounts.
I talked to the customer and they don't want to mess with it. They offered it to me. My question is... Can I suspend the motor and trans and remove the cradle? Or will I have to remove everything in one piece then swap the good parts (engine, trans, etc) from the bad frame to the good frame? I know the suspension will have to be disconnected. But thinking about this there is very little hooked to the subframe. Probably 4 motor trans mounts, rack, lower a arms. Anyone else done this or think that it'll work? I've got a engine cradle meant for holding the motor. It's got a bar that goes from strut to strut and then a leg that comes forward to the radiator. |
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Hubert (Ga)engine7
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson Cnty,GA Points: 6127 |
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The front wheel fell off??? How old is this vehicle? Don't know squat about replacing the sub frame but is this the vehicle that was on the news some months back for having bad underbody rust problems apparently from being exposed to the elements while being shipped across the pond?
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Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God.
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 77846 |
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WE had a Taurus several years ago... transmission crapped out... took to a rebuilder.. He took off the hood and had a bar that went from fender to fender and braced on top of the spring/ strut mounts... He "hung" the motor off of that, then dropped the subframe and transmission out the bottom .............. something like that with a box beam between the fenders holding the motor up might work.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Hoss
Silver Level Joined: 06 Jan 2013 Location: IOWA Points: 129 |
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Your cradle will hold the powertrain while you swap out the frame. That's exactly what it's for, holding engine/trans while you drop the cradle/frame and then the transmission. Just make sure you chain it to something solid on the powertrain and at least two places three works best.
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I got both ends meetin in the middle but I can't seem to get em tied.
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shameless dude
Orange Level Joined: 10 Apr 2017 Location: east NE Points: 13611 |
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is the car worth all that work and expense? prolly be better to pull the good parts and sell them off
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chaskaduo
Orange Level Joined: 26 Nov 2016 Location: Twin Cities Points: 5203 |
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Or decline it. Probably more rot elsewhere like rear suspension, and top of the strut mounting areas.
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Dakota Dave
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: ND Points: 3894 |
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Yes it is possable the Chevy dust buster vans were very bad at the K cradle rusting out . You could hold the engine and transmission up with the support frame and swap out the K cradle. Still had to remove the struts but he A Arms came off with the cradle. The factory support structure set across the top of the shock towers and had a couple links that attached to the engine lifting points. I've swapped out a couple transmitions using a 6x6 with 6x6 blocks screwed to each end and a 1500 lb ratchet strap. It really needs to be fairly high off the ground. 3 ft high jack stands under the jacking points worked well. It can be done in one day. Air impact was the only power tool used.
Edited by Dakota Dave - 07 May 2020 at 3:27pm |
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 21490 |
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yeesh , sounds like a HUGE 'make work project - money pit - time waster' to me. Unless you really,really NEED that vehicle pass.. heck, scrap up here is 2.4 CENTS per pound...car can't get you much these days !! While the job is 'technically' possible, it's the 'addons'... needs brkes, hoses, fuel pump, window don't go up( it just went down) ,...oh yeah, rains comin.... yeesh, I passed on hauling a load of compost for a neighbour...not worth my time...getting less of that every day....
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SteveM C/IL
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8005 |
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Sounds like you got the "I can fix this!" gene.....it's a curse,let me tell ya.
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GARY(OH/IN)
Orange Level Joined: 19 May 2010 Location: Findlay,Ohio Points: 917 |
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Junk that thing. Former friends of ours bought a new Elantra a few years ago and asked the wife and I to go on about a 200 mile road trip. That brand new piece of crap beat us to death all the way there and back while he bragged about getting 43 mpg. That's what he claimed anyway.
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HD6GTOM
Orange Level Joined: 30 Nov 2009 Location: MADISON CO IA Points: 6627 |
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I bought a Toyota for the grandson 4 or 5 years ago. His dad was in Afaganastan at the time. It had the same problem. Got a used subframe from California. Bolted it on and then spent hundreds of dollars attempting to keep that piece of crap running. Wiring harness shorted out and we junked it. Then I made the mistake of buying him a Honda. Again his dad was back in Afaganastan. Replaced the rear subframe on it. And then the NAPA store became his home away from home buying parts for that hunk of junk. Send it to the scrappers and don't look back.
Edited by HD6GTOM - 09 May 2020 at 7:27am |
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508 |
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My opinion is you're looking to sign yourself up for migraines. If you patch it back together and sell it, you can just about guarantee that unless you sell it to someone a long way away, every little problem that comes up the buyer will want you to warranty.
Send it to the junkyard or part it out...
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"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford
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ac fleet
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jan 2014 Location: Arrowsmith, ILL Points: 2210 |
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Junk it and never look back! ---save yourself a lot of liability.---fix and sell is signing your death warrant! ---it will come back to haunt you.
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29569 |
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If try to keep it remember the rust that killed it this time is still working it.
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