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    Posted: 09 Apr 2026 at 5:13pm
6V-92TA in my "yard horse" stuck the fuel pump pressure relief valve open which of course kills suction to pull fuel from the tanks. Engine restarts readily with a pressurized fuel source feeding the primary fuel filter housing. I disconnected both the suction, and return fuel lines from the primary tank, plumbed in my primer pumping unit, started the engine and monitored the fuel retun hose. Nothing came back to tank with the engine ultimately starving out. 

Think I'll order a rebuild kit as the pump is original from 1979. I "juiced" this engine up a bit back in 1980 including timing alteration and performance oriented injectors. It runs well and still starts easily. Never really has been an oil leaker either although it needs exhaust manifold gaskets. 
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Powerful for little engines. Sweet sound as well.
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I really like that old truck/tractor. Bad condition now but sure runs well. 

This is a short video of fuel return on my 64 B-61ST Mack tractor that also had a stuck primer pump. This one is a plunger pump and after freeing it up I circulated a little cocktail formulation I like to break the sludge and varnish. I must have received a load of garbage fuel a couple of years past as never had problems prior.  


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Real SOB to extract the fuel pump from this engine but the shuttle valve internal, (pressure relief) was jammed in it's bore from the biodiesel crap. I'll get it reinstalled later today and the problem should be history. 

Red pump on right is original to engine. Green pump is known good from a blown 8V-71 engine, yellow pump is known good from my 3-53 powered backhoe. It too had a stuck shuttle piston and was replaced with a rebuilt pump several years ago. Wrench on right is an orphan from the toolbox to bend up into something I could use for this task:



Wrench in use. 1/2" drive ratchet in the open end made easy work of breaking that hidden fastener loose:


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Repaired and running well.
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By the picture are you saying an 8-71 and 3-53 use the same pump? Because they look very much the same to me.

I replace one on my HD 5 once. Would run good for 30 to 45 minutes. Then fall on its face. Just like bad fuel filter could do. If you stand it for another hour it would start running better until normal. My dad sent his  brother who was the family mechanic. Had to change the filter again. Then all the fuel lines. As I was trying to seed barley with it. It was running when uncle left. The next morning, ran like crap again. Rained so with time I ordered a new pump. Less than $50 in the 90's. About 10 minutes to put it on. All was good again.

So my guess is different parts of pump warmed at different rates/amount of time. So was losing how much pressure it put out during the expansion of different parts.
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They can use the same pump if the rotation direction is the same. Dependent upon blower, governor location, and engine rotation on the engines determines either right, or left rotation. There are standard variants, and high flow for higher horse applications. 

These are two gear pumps just like an oil pump in an engine. There is a sliding shuttle valve that is spring loaded to relieve excess pressure in the system when the pump is supplying more fuel than the engine is burning. In reality when the valve operates, this temporarily disallows vacuum, or suction on the line through the primary filter till the excess pressure decays and the spring loaded shuttle valve slides back over a port allowing the pump to draw again. This is done by uncovering the port that bleeds pump discharge into the pump suction side. The shuttle valve, and bore this valve slides in wear over time. In my case, the plunger valve, pressure relieving spring, and stroke limit pin are all worn in, and out.

This is the shuttle:


This is the relief spring:



The stroke limit pin had the spring coils worn into it. The shuttle and it's bore has grooves worn into them. Can't really tell by the low resolution of the posted photos but they are pronounced.

Nowadays, new a/m pumps for those are about $150 and rebuild kits are just over about $120. Reman originals are just a bit more $$$ but probably worth it as the shuttle valve bores are sleeved back to original size after machining back round. I've never used an a/m pump in this application so really no input there.  
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