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    Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 2:43pm
Good afternoon all!  New member and first time poster here.  I found an AC for sale on CL but the current owner doesn't know the model of it.  He took it in trade and was told it's a 40hp tractor. It runs (needs a new starter and battery), and the 3pt and PTO work. I am going to look at it saturday but I'm trying to figure out what it is and if it's worth the trip (4 hour drive one way).  Looking on tractordata I think it's a 6140 but I thought I'd ask if anyone with more experience than I would hazard a guess.  Thanks for your assistance!! James
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I don't know what that is but it is not an allis.
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That looks like a Belarus to me as I have not seen very many foreign made Allis's to know for sure if it is an Allis
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Looking at side by side pics of a 6140 and this tractor they look identical except for the hood.  Maybe someone swapped a hood on it that was not an AC hood?
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This not an Allis, maybe a Valmet, or Tractor King?
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The grill kinda looks like a MF
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Might be a 5040, wif MF sheetmetal on it...  

Wouldn't give much fer it...
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Yes, possibly a modified 5040.  You can buy a good 5040 for $2200-$2500.






Edited by Larry in NC - 10 Aug 2017 at 6:43pm
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That 5040 looks like my White. It has the same sheet metal anyway.
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looks more IH to me... also looks to be rode hard and put up wet,,,sure would low ball this one
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The gentleman is asking $800 for it.
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Definitely not a  5040.It could be a Taft which was sort of a knock off Massey Ferguson.
$800 sounds pretty good for a diesel tractor that runs and operates.
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Can he take a picture of the name plate? Serial number and all.  That would tell me more than any picture of the sheet metal.
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Could also be an IMT they built MF knockoffs too
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i'd also say a Belarus or zetor or massey
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There is this 5030 on craigslist in Fort Worth.
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Imt
Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns
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IMT looks like a MF knockoff, headlights are set about middle of the grill.  The headlights on this one are set at the top.  The only similar hood I can find is on a Allis-Deutz
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It looks more like UTB (Universal) to me.
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Step on each side of the operators platform is identical to a AC... UTB doesn't have the same step on similar models... I've asked for data plate information but nothing yet
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Originally posted by AC720Man AC720Man wrote:

The grill kinda looks like a MF


I was thinking MF or TAFE
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Hole in the rear wheel center is too small to be a Fiat/UTB,BTW 5040 is a UTB
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The sheet metal is certainly not AC. I look more like UTB due to the sheet metal, especially the high mounted headlights.
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It kinda looks like a 6140.
The outer grille sheet metal appears to be missing and the hood metal looks "customized".
The gas tank sheet metal and the engine configuation looks about right.
Did the Japanese Mfgr. build essentially the same tractor for different brands?
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The owner got back to me and said the data plate says it is a 6140. That hood looks different from any 6140 I've seen so far, makes me wonder where it came from
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I think I've figured it out the dash is original to the 6140 and the hood and grill is off a 1040 or 1045 Massey Ferguson. That should solve the mystery.
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I know that 5015's, 20's and 30's were sourced from toyosha, and so were the masseys of the same era, but am not sure if the 5040's are the same source as MF 1040-45...

I know the AC's were rebadged UTB's mfr'd by fiat...
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Whatever it is I hope they don't want much for it.   Looks like something right off Red Green.
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Owner is asking $800 for it
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Originally posted by avgman00 avgman00 wrote:

Owner is asking $800 for it

Hard to go wrong at that price.
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