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hmontena 
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 Topic: AC 614 forklift starter
Posted: 20 Nov 2022 at 2:51pm |
Looking for info to build HD version of gas engine starter. I am putting a Perkins 4.236 diesel in a 614 lift. The original starter is CCW 12v. It is new rebuilt and will turn the diesel but growls and probably not have a long life. I have read an old thread here about the gas starters being able to to be rebuilt to turn high compression , large cu. in pulling tractors.
Any help appreciated. Thanks
Edited by hmontena - 20 Nov 2022 at 2:55pm
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hmontena
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Posted: 20 Nov 2022 at 11:42pm |
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Possibly a D17 diesel unit?
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Steve in NJ
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Posted: 10 Dec 2022 at 7:23pm |
What model is the Perkins engine? I might be able to hook you up with a hi torque Starter motor if that's what you're lookin' for..... Steve@B&B
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Posted: 10 Dec 2022 at 7:47pm |
The original starter is CCW 12v............. motor was a 149 or 160 inch GAS , like D15 farm tractor ?
So the "original starter" is on the bell housing and has nothing to do with PERKINS ? You just want something that will bolt on and have the right number of TEETH ? you have the ORIGINAL RING GEAR ?
Edited by steve(ill) - 10 Dec 2022 at 7:56pm
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Posted: 10 Dec 2022 at 7:59pm |
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 11 Dec 2022 at 6:32am |
I have a problem that the 'nre,rebuilt' starter growls and goes slow..... curious, I found this
course I'm confused..... website says the perkins starter goes CW and you say CCW.... maybe some 'clarification' for use older guys will help....
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Posted: 11 Dec 2022 at 6:53am |
I have to use the Allis/Buda flywheel. The starter has to
locate in the original location in the tractor trans case. I have a
starter coming for a HD3, I600, should work. The Allis starter has no flange is MT20 mount.
Edited by hmontena - 11 Dec 2022 at 6:57am
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Posted: 11 Dec 2022 at 10:32am |
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A Perkins 236 engine is very different from the Allis/Buda engines. I have doubts that a starter from a HD3 would work. I don't even think that the flywheel from an Allis will bolt up to the Perkins.
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Posted: 11 Dec 2022 at 12:28pm |
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The 236 fits in a space allotted for it. I machined a 1/2" adapter and machined and redrilled the Allis flywheel. Also a 1/2" plate to mate the Perkins to the Allis trans case. The HD3 starter has bigger field coils to turn the diesel engine, it mounts in the trans case of the lift as the smaller starter did. Just putting out little brush fires as I go. The 614 lift became the 700? later years and had a Perkins in it from the factory.
Edited by hmontena - 11 Dec 2022 at 12:48pm
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Posted: 15 Dec 2022 at 9:11pm |
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Use a 6 volt starter . with 12 volts they have more power , did that on my old Oldsmobile's in the 55 and up cars using a 49 to 54 starter .
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