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LouSWPA
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Topic: trailer hitch questionPosted: 22 Aug 2025 at 7:34pm |
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this may be elementary to many of you, but I never messed with anything other than a 'bumper hitch'. How does a fifth wheel hitch to the truck? Do I need to put holes in my bed? does it actually mount to the truck frame, or bed? Is there any way to avoind holes in the bed?
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Lars(wi)
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Posted: 22 Aug 2025 at 7:49pm |
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All I have seen requires holes in the bed.
The hitch actually attaches to the truck frame, with long bolts passing thru the bed, to the brackets attached to the frame. The fifth wheel hitch(or gooseneck hitch) does not attach to the bed. |
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 22 Aug 2025 at 7:58pm |
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normally the bed is not substantial enough... bolt go thru the bed into a bracket that attaches to the frame.. SOLID.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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LouSWPA
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Posted: 22 Aug 2025 at 8:00pm |
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 22 Aug 2025 at 8:03pm |
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you can get a HIDDEN hitch that mounts under the bed and pops up... Or you can have BRACKETS that mount to the bed floor and the hitch is removable... That way you still have an open truck bed for moving other objects... but you would have a braket or two sticking up 2 inches above the floor when you remove the "hitch".
simple goose neck floor mount.. ![]() this is a 5th wheel, but you can see the BRACKETS that bolt to the floor... make sure what hitch your trailer has... ![]() Edited by steve(ill) - 22 Aug 2025 at 8:19pm |
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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DanWi
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Posted: 22 Aug 2025 at 10:00pm |
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B+W hitches mount to the frame below the bed and the only holes are a 3 inch hole for the flip over ball and 4 1/2 in holes for the safety chain hooks.
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LouSWPA
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Posted: 22 Aug 2025 at 10:50pm |
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thanks guys, think I'll stick with the 'bumper hitch'. The trailer w/gooseneck I was looking at is bigger than I wanted anyhow. Just my bride and dog and me, we don't need the Taja Mahal dragging behind us.
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DMiller
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Posted: 23 Aug 2025 at 6:13am |
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Horror Story, BILs neighbor had a Heavy Half GMC pickup, was all excited to show off his 42' Fifth Wheel rolling palace on three axles, stated unequivocally the truck pulled it just fine at over 65mph.
As I walked around it I noted cracking in the bed floor, where the owner noted was taking it back to the dealer(Was six months old) to have bed replaced as had to be under warranty. Quick look Under the bed there was no connecting equipment to the frame from the hitch. Weeks later the BIL noted his neighbor had wrecked both the camper and truck, dealer was infuriated as to the haphazard hitch install and had declined warranty, the neighbor was looking to a attorney to sue for damage to his new truck where had also set reservations in CO for a week stay and had left on that trip. As crossed into CO at Kanorado they noted had felt a 'Bump' then all hell broke out, truck was weaving and swinging then onto the shoulder and rolled over, the camper had come disconnected and snagged the tailgate sending the truck into uncontrollable before separating and sending both to history. Final notations were the bed floor failed, the bolting points cracked out where he had added plate reinforcements that pulled thru the cracked floor, NOT EVER did he install to frame bracing. His Insurer declined to pay for damages, did pay off remnant loan amounts but the neighbor received NADA as had failed to establish a safe hitch install, so he sued the insurer and lost that as well. The neighbor who is still the neighbor currently have another now ton truck(Used) some ten years later and somewhat smallish (Also used) bumper pull camper, kids are grown and gone where he and his Current wife, Not the one had when wrecked now almost two decades ago divorcing he back then, only use those for more local State Park campgrounds inside MO and IL.
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DMiller
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Posted: 23 Aug 2025 at 6:17am |
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As a side note, we are enjoying our Living Quarters Gooseneck Trailer, Taking third trip in another week for a long weekend to N Central MO with some new found friends and couple that I worked with the Male that have a Fifth Wheel.
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Ray54
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Posted: 23 Aug 2025 at 12:38pm |
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A 5th wheel hitch and gooseneck hitch are very different things. There are converters made to go both ways. From the research I did not good way to go if if a more than occasional thing.
As Steve's picture shows no extra holes needed in your bed. For 5th wheel hitch. I bought an older truck with the 5th wheel hitch. Removed it bought a BW gooseneck hitch. Dealer had one in stock for for a 20+ year old truck used that old frugal ( tight wad AC owner ) line on them and got a very good deal on it.We have had a gooseneck trailer here since 1975. The Oke's that sold the trailer new installed the first hitch for my dad. By todays standards very crude. Two 2 inch angle irons with 10 inch channel iron weld between with the ball welded to the channel iron. So a major obstacle that stayed in the truck bed forever. The next truck got fold down ball installed. Had professional welding shop do it. Lifted the bed welded a piece between frame rails, cut the hole in bed and bolted the ball in. Since the 90's all 3/4 tons have holes factor drilled install the hitches I believe. So at most a little measuring and the right size hole saw and bolt things in. And none of the trouble DMiler was telling of. |
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only AC orange
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Posted: 23 Aug 2025 at 7:21pm |
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Huge difference between 5th wheel hitch and gooseneck hitch! 5th wheel has multiple holes through bottom of truck bed for attaching mounting rails which are anchored to frame in 4 places. Goose neck has 1 larger hole near middle of bed which accesses frame work which is also mounted to frame. IMO, 5th wheel is easier to line up and get hitched to. Good luck!
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LouSWPA
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Posted: 23 Aug 2025 at 8:39pm |
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well, I wound up buying a 2007 23 foot trailer with bumper pull. No slide out, nothing fancy. Bought it in WVA, handled well in the WVA cow paths.....wow, those were some windy narrow roads! The Silverado with 6.6 just loafed right along coming up IS 79. Set the cruise control and held steady 65 up and down those 'hills' of WVA. couldn't really tell it was back there, except the tach was winding tighter!
I was considering a gooseneck, or 5th wheel because I thought they would be a little bit more stable, but honestly this bumper pull does this fine. Plus, finding a short 5th wheel or goose neck is next to impossible! I did find one, a 5th wheel, but the dude thought he had a gold mine! I am, however, going to get a weight distribution hitch. The 'hobby horse' action got old fast!
Thanks for all the input! |
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I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
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HudCo
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Posted: 23 Aug 2025 at 10:37pm |
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if it isnt bolted to the frame its a rolling wreck waiting to happen
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DiyDave
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Posted: 24 Aug 2025 at 4:45am |
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Aww, Cmon, man whatever hitch works will do, you just have to slap it and say, that ain't goin nowhere!
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WF owner
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Posted: 24 Aug 2025 at 6:17am |
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After having several trucks with the rails in the bed and hating the rails. my last two trucks have had the "pucks" (four factory installed holes in the bed that the legs of the fifth wheel hitch set into - 1/4 turn on each leg and they are secured), which I love.
If you are looking to put only a single hole in the box, B&W offers their Turnover Ball hitch for gooseneck towing and you can add a Companion fifth wheel hitch (uses the same single hole in the pickup box). They have a reputation as one of the best quality hitches and they are American made. |
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plummerscarin
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Posted: 24 Aug 2025 at 8:17am |
Ever see the Volkswagen Beetle with the companion RV? Made for each other and sized right |
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DMiller
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Posted: 24 Aug 2025 at 8:29am |
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Gooseneck allows more convenience for us, can turn tighter, have a bit more weight to the trailer as well storage and support area. Gooseneck farm trailer has been handier than Socks on a Rooster, hauls as need when need and does not reach max load of my old 3/4 ton, has not ever become a bouncing Betty or caused light front end as my 16' tongue trailer has, WD Hitch not needed, finger and hand pinching mechanisms.
Had rails in my 99 F250, currently using the Mount Points on the frame for the flatbed I just installed for that below floor Goose Ball hitch included with it. Installed a B&W Turn over ball on the KW, someone here noted RAM has installed these as OE or at least the dealer here installs and warranties, not certain which is factual. Once installed are hidden below bed floor.
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Steve A
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Posted: 24 Aug 2025 at 9:58am |
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My two cents: Weight distribution hitch and add a set of air lift bags to the truck. The bags probably aren't needed for weight capacity, but I'm a believer that they improve the ride and reduce the chop effect.
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TerryfromswIA
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Posted: 24 Aug 2025 at 4:06pm |
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I went with a B&W ball and a B&W Companion fifth wheel hitch. Pull a 36 foot Keystone Cougar, like the ride much better than the old bumper hitch. Have a Equalizer brand weight distribution hitch laying in shop collecting dust now. Should advertise it and sell but will probably be here for the auction.
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LouSWPA
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Posted: 24 Aug 2025 at 4:26pm |
well, i you was closer, id be interested
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I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
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JW in MO
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Posted: 24 Aug 2025 at 6:03pm |
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Bumper hitch trailer will follow the truck tracks when turning whereas a 5th wheel will cut the corners which has gotten more than one in trouble. I added a B&W gooseneck to my 05 Silverado, pucker factor increases incredibly when you start through the bed with that 2-1/2" hole saw. And if that weren't enough, when it goes through, the hole overlaps a cross brace by about 3/4", hyper ventilating almost set in until I put the plate in and it all lined up as designed. I sure liked the B&W a lot better than the Curt system that's on my current truck.
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WF owner
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Posted: 25 Aug 2025 at 6:05am |
If anyone has ever towed a long trailer, they know this isn't true. Even my wife who has hardly ever pulled a "bumper hook" trailer knows that she has to allow for "off-track". The longer the trailer, the more exaggerated the off-track is.
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Posted: 26 Aug 2025 at 1:16pm |
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The weblink shows good drawings/photos of an Atwood folding ball hitch, which Atwood is no longer. But I think Curt & maybe other mfgs make similar styles? Edited by AC7060IL - 26 Aug 2025 at 1:27pm |
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Ray54
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Posted: 27 Aug 2025 at 4:30pm |
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I believe I have an Atwod folding ball in truck that will never run again, if some needs it let me know.
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