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Codger ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2458 |
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I have not figured the serial number yet. I did look at it but it will require some paint removal to ascertain the number exactly. Didn't want to do that unless absolutely necessary. I really don't have a need; just a want. I'm wanting to put almost 12 acres into hay within a couple of years is reason for the interest at all. I've never been a farmer but grand daughters are getting to wanting a couple head of horses and I well remember what that cost with my daughter..... Wanting to turn "scrub ground/woods" into good pasture/feed to offset the cost(s) a bit. Uncle in the area is willing to help me get started and has much of the needed equipment. He would round bale and take first and third or last cutting for his feeder calves where I would square bale the 2nd and possibly 3rd cutting. I'm only repeating what I've been told as there is no experience speaking but second cutting is usually best for horse feed? I asked about the rear pinion and gears upgrade and they were done at the dealership many years ago. A former mechanic whom still frequently visits did them and remembers the parties well. He was there almost 55 years so seen a lot. Only employment he ever had other than farming and horses. You are in the same ballpark I am with purchasing price. There seems to be heavy emphasis on the loader on the tractor for some reason. They have a bale spear for it but it' s never been attached to this loader. I don't know what tires in the sizes for this tractor are worth in the purchase either. The fronts are "Firestone" and new, the rears are "Earth-Quake", (I think) and about 75% with good tubes. I'll append this post to get a photo attached. I too thought that rim could be easily repaired but it depends on what it looks like once the tire is broken down. I've sectioned a lot of rims over the years on tractors brought to me for repair. Tires: ![]() Edited by Codger - 29 Jul 2022 at 6:32pm |
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AC720Man ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 5232 |
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Your uncle is being generous giving you 2nd and 3rd cutting. It is the best quality hay for horses because it’s blade hay which doesn’t have the long stems of 1st cutting. I’m describing orchard grass that we raise in our area. Not for sure what type of hay you have available.
As far as the loader, if you absolutely need a loader, sell that one and find a AC 500 loader. It has supports that go back and attach to the axles. This provides more strength for the loader and helps takes stress off the bell housing. The loader that is presently on it are known to break the tractor in half. Not saying it breaks every tractor they are on, but it does happen. If used lightly and not abused it may be ok. Just not a loader I would want on my 190XT especially with it being over 50 years old. |
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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Codger ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2458 |
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Thank you for your help. I don't know much about hay at all really but Timothy is one name that is very popular in the arena. Alfalfa, Timothy, and another name which slips me now are a common field crop for animal feed here. My uncle has been raising feeder cattle and some horses for over 50 years and grows most of his feed for the animals on about 120 acres IIRC. He was telling me the 1st cutting is out for sure for horses. He also has a round baler as that is what he feeds with. We have 30 acres of undeveloped land/woods of which we have been opening up over the past couple of years for this project. I'll then get a road cut through instead of the ATV path there now for access. I don't have any farm equipment at all myself, but family members do and are willing to help me get started. However that being said, I only want to use their equipment to figure out what I need to have, and what not so I can acquire items that will be used and not become derelict. I have a bulldozer, a backhoe loader, and a skid steer. I really don't need a loader tractor so I could do without that loader on the 190XT. My mowing tractor is a White 2-55 but I've been told it would be a little "light" for hay work and when this larger tractor came in I inquired about it. I still see a few of these working too. It sounds as I should not place too much emphasis on that loader as it could be a problem with a bale spear. I've seen loaders with the bracing running to the rear as you mentioned, and I've seen tractors welded back together in the attachment areas, but always thought that was from abuse. The only real reason I could think of for the loader would be a bale spear to load round bales on a wagon or trailer, but I don't really think that is the loader to use in that task. If I'm correct in this assumption it was a very good tip you and Dr. Allis brought forth.
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DanWi ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: wttn Points: 1925 |
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Just build some braces to the back axle and keep the loader that you have.
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Codger ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2458 |
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That is an idea to consider. I would need to physically see how other loader frames are attached and braced to tractors as never really have paid attention. I could fab something but it would be over built.
I will be speaking with her on Tuesday about the purchase.
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Codger ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2458 |
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Dead issue. Owner has great disparity between expectations, and actual cash value of tractor. Thanks,
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AC720Man ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 5232 |
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That far apart in price?
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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Codger ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2458 |
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A little over double what we discussed for it as is, where is. Really got "starry eyed" for some reason after talking with someone else whom may have offered a bit more than I would be willing to go.
Really appreciate your input in the thread as I'm pretty green with the overall course to be taken. Was speaking with my uncle earlier today about it and he has an IH 856 I can use for the task, but needs a fuel tank and a rear tire to be operational. This tractor has done a lot of work for him but replaced several years ago in his operation. I remember it being used, but it's been over 10 years since and it's buried in the shed where the tractors are kept.
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Codger ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2458 |
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This tractor will leave tomorrow morning without being touched by the implement dealer. She/owner has remarried and the new husband "knows" someone that will repair it. Something funny about this scenario but none of my business so asked no questions.
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12170 |
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1st cutting out for horses huh? ![]() OK. Wonder how horses ever survived before man began to care for them. 1 thing I know dealing with horse people for 45 years, ask 10 people their opinion on horse hay, you'll get at least 5 answers.
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Codger ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2458 |
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I have no direct experience myself. Only know less than have been told.
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12170 |
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Oh, I get it. Trust me. From here, you have several paths to choose from. 1. Don't waste your time researching it, it's a rabbit hole as intriguing as Covid, though not quite as dramatic. 2. If you ever want to, make some hay, put it for sale, someone will buy it. 3. Start your "research", pick a side and direction early, then be very insistent and forceful in all of your comments about horse hay, and everyone will think you're very smart (or an a55hole, depending on who you're talking to.) 4. Shake your head in amazement at the human condition. I suggest somewhere between 1 and 2. But, I don't know you very well at all, so you do you and enjoy the ride. Cheers ![]() BTW, between my Dad and I, we have sold 10's of 1000's of square bales of hay to horse people over the years, the vast VAST majority of which was 1st cutting. So, it's not "out for horses".
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Codger ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2458 |
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I'm usually one to tell someone to go
![]() Know what you mean about horse owner's and their "opinions" on hay. Never really participated in those squabbles as far too childish to warrant my time. Same thing with their trailers. Have several customers with very expensive outfits that make no sense to me. However, they are breeders and apparently their field is lucrative. It would have to be to justify the expense for me. My daughter knows how to break into a flake and tell if it's worth feeding or not; not I for sure. I would plant a crop she researched and fostered as I'm only looking for a family project to work together for. Granddaughters are anxious to get started so trying to ramp up before they get the age to get into trouble. Family unity and interaction is very important to us so all concerned are on board with the project.
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Codger ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2458 |
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Going to update this a bit as got word back yesterday the purchaser of the 190XT had the injection pump rebuilt, and reinstalled it onto the engine. For some reason it "ran away" and they couldn't get it shut down before scattering the engine.
Not being one interested in the following "drama" of the story, I went to take a leak and let them spew as they were not fully informed that we only stored the tractor, and did nothing to it. That's the gist of the story as relayed to me later.
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8623 |
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What little I know about Roosa's says that had to be a rebuilder screw up. Those pumps have throttle tied open to install which holds governor in place without driveshaft inside. Maybe they didn't untie the throttle?
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Codger ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2458 |
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I don't have any idea really. There were many facets to that story and it started when the widow's allegedly "new" husband came in and told us "they" decided to keep the tractor. I handed this "new husband" the box containing the injection pump and hardware associated with it's removal so he could have it rebuilt. The tractor then left sometime later while I wasn't around.
I thought nothing further about it till another gent showed up looking for answers to why the engine let go as I think he was told we had worked on it. I was told later he purchased it while we had it, but the seller didn't want to pay for a pump rebuild. Shakes out there are a few "liars" involved with this tractor and it's sale, so I am happy my interest was closed out/collapsed on it earlier. I'll be working in your area starting tomorrow morning helping a cousin during harvest.
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