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Dad bought a 49 WD in 50 and I remember seeing it at the dealer at 3 years old. He bought an old no hydralic JD A at a sale. Ever use a set of JD hand lift cultivators? The WD caught fire when Dad ran the gas tank over and we think it had a loose battery terminal. Lucky they say as the 275 gallon tank next to it was full and didn't explode. I took the WD to VO AG shop at school and replaced all fire damaged parts and and put on some orange paint. It sure wasn't AC orange though and we never put lights and a starter back on it.
Dad bought a beautiful WD 45 at a sale for $1600 while the WD was down. Had wide front and the one owner had kept it waxed and covered in the shed. Then Dad bought 200 acres 19 miles from home and we towed the 45 back and forth for heavier work. Added a JD AR and an unstyled WC from 2 different farm sales on the same day. Loved the mechanical light cultivators on the WC but the steering was worn and you had to be good at guessing what direction she was headed next. The AR was ok too as I could get up and move around on the platform to help stay awake after my late night carousing. The popping helped alot too. Next came a MF 65 diesel with loader and 4 /14s. What a piece of crap it was. Too light and had hydralic issues. And I could not stay awake on that thing. I'd wake up, look back and see I'd disked figure 8's, etc. Time to hook up the Johnny Popper. It soon left and was replaced by a D19 diesel. Hardly ran it as I was drafted about then. Dad retired with a Ford 9700,8700, 2 5000's and a 4000 and the old WD45 which was stolen and are all setting in sheds waiting on him to return. Sadly he won't.
I have owned in this order a JD B, MM Z, Case Vac, 3 Fordson Majors, Oliver 88, Farmall 460, and now 9 AC 5015's I use in property clean up and maintenance. I baby them so they make it to the end for me and I'll be 70 soon.
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Originally posted by GARY(OH/IN) GARY(OH/IN) wrote:

Dad bought a 49 WD in 50 and I remember seeing it at the dealer at 3 years old. He bought an old no hydralic JD A at a sale. Ever use a set of JD hand lift cultivators? The WD caught fire when Dad ran the gas tank over and we think it had a loose battery terminal. Lucky they say as the 275 gallon tank next to it was full and didn't explode. I took the WD to VO AG shop at school and replaced all fire damaged parts and and put on some orange paint. It sure wasn't AC orange though and we never put lights and a starter back on it.
Dad bought a beautiful WD 45 at a sale for $1600 while the WD was down. Had wide front and the one owner had kept it waxed and covered in the shed. Then Dad bought 200 acres 19 miles from home and we towed the 45 back and forth for heavier work. Added a JD AR and an unstyled WC from 2 different farm sales on the same day. Loved the mechanical light cultivators on the WC but the steering was worn and you had to be good at guessing what direction she was headed next. The AR was ok too as I could get up and move around on the platform to help stay awake after my late night carousing. The popping helped alot too. Next came a MF 65 diesel with loader and 4 /14s. What a piece of crap it was. Too light and had hydralic issues. And I could not stay awake on that thing. I'd wake up, look back and see I'd disked figure 8's, etc. Time to hook up the Johnny Popper. It soon left and was replaced by a D19 diesel. Hardly ran it as I was drafted about then. Dad retired with a Ford 9700,8700, 2 5000's and a 4000 and the old WD45 which was stolen and are all setting in sheds waiting on him to return. Sadly he won't.
I have owned in this order a JD B, MM Z, Case Vac, 3 Fordson Majors, Oliver 88, Farmall 460, and now 9 AC 5015's I use in property clean up and maintenance. I baby them so they make it to the end for me and I'll be 70 soon.
Sorry post is so long.
9 5015s, wow!
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love hearing these stories.  I'm surrounded by new kioti and kubota's and 1 ford 2000 that never leaves the shed?, but I'm still running he Allis.  I was sold on allis the minute my but hit the seat on the wd 45.
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Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:


Originally posted by Tbone95 Tbone95 wrote:

Originally posted by CrestonM CrestonM wrote:





Originally posted by Ted J Ted J wrote:

I grew up on em!  end of story!

The power that the WD45 had was heads above ANYTHING else at the time.  



x2 on the 45! 

I grew up green util I got smart enough to take off the green-tinted glasses and stop drinking the green Kool-Aid long enough to realize that just because Deere has hype, and the notorious "they're still in business" quote, doesn't mean they're better. Just means they've got good sales gimmicks. (As a kid, I'd ride in the L3 every summer for hours, and I enjoyed it, but I thought "the Deere's the custom cutters had were SOOO much better! They don't break down as much!" Then as I got older and got more educated in the workings and mechanics of the thresher body, I realized it wasn't necessarily the combine's fault....well....I'll put it this way....it's like shooting the dog, then complaining that it's dead...)  
After going orange, my eyes kept opening, and I realized that most of the stuff Deere sold over the years was copied off of other people (For example....the --00 series combines came from JI Case....compare a 6600 with a 1660 Case and it's obvious...also copying the round baler from A-C, as well as the All-Crop harvester....do a search on a JD No. 6 combine....it's a backwards and pretty crude All-Crop, for the most part....just with more moving parts, like always). That is what led to my distaste for Deere. (Y'all will be mad, but regardless of that, I'm going to have a Deere 4020 and G in my collection someday, just because both my grandpa's have/had 4020s and Dad grew up on a 1949 G....more sentimental reasons than anything...everyone knows a One-Ninety will send a 4020 packing at plow days)

I ran a WD45 for the first time last summer, and I agree, it's got tons of power! It'll lug a little, then when that governor kicks in, it kinda gives you a chill. Then it buckles down and really goes! The JD letter series I've seen run just seem to putt along till they get a load, then they start popping louder and slower, then stall.





Creston, I'm not going to disagree with all your opinions, you're entitled. But how can a conventional combine introduced in 1970 be a copy of the axial flow style introduced by IH in 1977? Who must have "copied" from the New Holland rotaries introduced in 1975?

People have be-otched about those Deeres copying Massey with the offset cab....maybe a little more argument to stand on, but whatever.

A 1660 Case not a 1660 CaseIH



Oh,. . .my bad.
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No, good. We all got to see a pretty picture of a combine even if it isn't a Gleaner.

The "bad , no good" reminds me of Roy Clark and Archie Campbell
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Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:

No, good. We all got to see a pretty picture of a combine even if it isn't a Gleaner.

The "bad , no good" reminds me of Roy Clark and Archie Campbell





Hahaha! Those were some funnies there!
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So that Case....looks like it was made from 1963-1970. Didn't look to be too well liked....at least from my 4 minutes of research! Hahaha
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I don't know how good they were but my neighbor liked their Case. I think it was a 960 though. When my dad was growing up near Paynesville MN he said there were a lot of Case combines in the area. Of course there was a good Case dealer there where his dad worked at as a mechanic.


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An older fella I worked with had an Oliver 77 and asked if I could look up the horsepower and such for it.  Went to tractordata.com and printed out the spec's for it.  Then I showed him the specs for the WD 45.   his face turned red and he started complaining.   "how can your WD 45 have more power with a 4 cyl, than my oliver with that big 6 cyc. engine"...He complained about that for months...SmileSmile
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My grandpa and his brothers started out with JD. In 1977 they split up farming they had some 4020s and we still have the one we ended up with. Before they split up my unlces went and started a farm in a different county and there was a farm sale and my uncles bought a 220 and some other things and then they bought a 190XT from the dealer. My grandpa got convinced to buy the 180 at the farm sale and my grandpa loved that tractor. My unlces would plow all our ground and would come back and fourth between counties with those tractors. Then my uncles came and started farming with us and our AC tractor line expanded. We always had AC and always will! Now me and my brother bought our own AC tractor a 7060 and I plan to restore it before I get out of high school. Thats why we have AC.
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I guess I am the guy out here. Never grew up using tractors although we did have a ford jubilee at one time. Not a farm kid either. We bought our WD-45 because it was my daughter-in-laws Grandpa's tractor and it was being used by her Dad. Because of her Dad's untimely passing we bought it to keep it the family for her. Needed a mowing tractor so I bought a C. Now looking for a B.
Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!
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Grandpa went from horses to a used B. Loved it so much he got another used B. Needless to say my dad was partial to Allis Chalmers so when he and mom started their own farm they had a B and a CA with loader. When mom and dad stopped farming the CA went to my uncle where I put many hours raking and hauling hay loads with it. I bought my fist B when I was 14 to use for skidding peeled poplar out of the woods in the fall. Allis Chalmers was/is in the family blood line!
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There is no why. There is ONLY Allis-Chalmers.
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My dad bought a Ford 8N. He then bought an all-crop 60 combine.
Pulling the AC 60 was a little to much for the 8N. So he bought
a WD 45 at an auction in the late 50's. The WD 45 handled the
all crop with no problems. It had plenty of power. Now my son
and I hobby farm the land with an AC 200, a 3 bottom series 80
plow, and 3 all crop 66's combines. 2 of them work and one is
for parts. Looking for a 4 bottom IH 720 plow for the 200.
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That's why I got my first Allis our 8n just didn't have the power to do the work we needed.  The front was to light on the 8n, the front wheels were always off the ground. till I put a loader on it, then it was to heavy and hard to steer.  had to lift the front wheels up with the loader to steer it if it had a load in the bucket.  no live pto on the ford either, makes brush hogging a pain.  I didn't grow up farming either, but new it was something I wanted to do.  had to learn about tractors as I went.  but when ya go from an 8n to a wd45 there is absolutely no comparison.
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