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Best part is Biteme and the Demonrats in Congress had ZERO part in this development, they state they did is OBVIOUS they are LYING their collective azzes off.
YEP... "BITEME HAS A PLAN"................ BULLSH*T ..... All you can do it take precautions as you go about your life... This does not end until we get the vaccine... and it is TRUMP that cut the red tape to get that done in 8 months, instead of 8 years.
we do more TESTING than anywhere in the WORLD... You need to pay more attention to the DEATHS... They are high, and rising, but per population, lower than Europe.... Hard to compare Canada to USA... population, density, industry, BIG CITIES, travel .... lots of things lead to increase spreading.
Exactly what is Canada doing that the USA is not ?..... NOTHING.
Prime
Minister Justin Trudeau was defending his government’s historic budget
deficit, caused largely by shutting down parts of the economy and
ramping up spending on emergency relief programs to fight the
Considering the alternative, he told reporters in Ottawa, it’s been worth it.
“We
were able to control the virus better than many of our allies,” he told
reporters this month. “Including, particularly, our neighbor.”
He
has a point. Canada’s response to the pandemic hasn’t been perfect —
Quebec and Ontario suffered substantial outbreaks, authorities enlisted
soldiers to help in hard-hit long-term care facilities, and Mexico was
so concerned about conditions on farms that it threatened to hold back
its migrant workers.
Still,
the country has fared far better than the United States. The close
allies share similar connections to initial hot spots in China and
Europe, and they confirmed their first cases within a week of each other
in January. But the United States has since reported more than three
times as many total infections per capita, and nearly twice as many
deaths
Canadians
have taken note. The two countries agreed to close their shared border
to nonessential travel in March. Surveys here show that the closure,
while economically painful, continues to enjoy wide public support.
“There’s
no smugness,” said Susy Hota, medical director of infection prevention
and control at Toronto’s University Health Network. “We look at what’s
happening to our neighbor in the south and all of us are just feeling
really bad about it.”Analysts point to several reasons for the divergent outcomes.Canada
has the natural advantage of geography: It has less than one-ninth the
United States’ population. Canadians aren’t evenly distributed —
two-thirds of them live within 62 miles of the U.S. border — but no city
here is as densely populated as, say, New York City.
Trucks traverse the Ambassador Bridge, which links Windsor, Ontario, with Detroit. (Carlos Osorio/Reuters)
“We
have that geographic distribution between major centers,” said Jason
Kindrachuk, a virologist at the University of Manitoba. “Undoubtedly, it
has played a role.”
But
the country has also performed better at critical moments. In the early
stages of the pandemic, Canada was able to ramp up testing more quickly
than the United States, enabling it to better isolate the sick, trace
contacts and limit spread.
Efforts in the United States were hindered in part by a flawed test.
Health-care
workers speak with patients at a drive-through coronavirus testing
center in London, Ontario, in March. (Geoff Robins/AFP/Getty Images)
Canada’s
early success in testing would not last. Several provinces have
struggled to meet testing targets and clear backlogs, leaving officials
flying blind when trying to identify outbreaks or to rapidly trace
contacts.
Zain
Chagla, an infectious-diseases physician at St. Joseph’s Healthcare
Hamilton, said some hospitals have turned away patients with coronavirus
symptoms for lack of tests. The United States now tests more people per
capita than Canada.
The
Canadian people have been less divided and more disciplined. Some
provinces and territories could have locked down sooner, analysts say,
but once measures were announced, they were strict, broadly uniform and
widely followed.
“It
was completely unexpected,” said Gary Kobinger, director of the
Research Center on Infectious Diseases at Quebec’s Laval University. “I
thought that people would not accept to stay home. . . . This also
helped.”
Fans
watch musician Dean Brody during a drive-in concert to celebrate Canada
Day on July 1 in Markham, Ontario. (Cole Burston/Getty Images)
Some provinces and territories, like some U.S. states, moved early to limit travel from other parts of the country and mandate quarantines.
Michael Gardam, chief of staff at Toronto’s Humber River Hospital, said
provinces have mostly been “appropriately cautious” when easing
restrictions, in contrast to those states that never imposed closures or
stay-at-home orders or loosened controls prematurely.
Researchers
at the University of Toronto studying reopenings found that
restrictions in Yukon, a northern territory that had 11 coronavirus
cases and no deaths, are more stringent than those in Texas, where
hospitalizations are surging.
Gerald
Evans, a professor of medicine at Queens University in Kingston,
Ontario, said Canada’s single-payer national health-care system also
confers “distinct” advantages, allowing people to seek care for
covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, without fear of
out-of-pocket costs.
Analysts also point to differences in political leadership.Canadian
officials have largely set aside partisan grievances for a “Team
Canada” effort. Alberta Premier Jason Kenney sent excess personal
protective gear to provinces in need, including Quebec, led by frequent
sparring partner Premier François Legault.
Canadian
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau volunteers at the Moisson Outaouais food
bank in Gatineau, Quebec. (Moh Kadri/AFP/Getty Images)
That
contrasts with the response in the United States, where President Trump
has at times seemed to condition federal aid on support for him, and
governors have fought with each other and the federal government over
critical supplies.
Though
Canada’s response has not been entirely devoid of politics, Canadian
officials have consistently deferred to public health experts and
scientists to drive policy decisions and have offered a generally
consistent message.
“There’s
been a consensus . . . that covid-19 is a very serious health problem
and many members of Parliament from all parties have been elevating the
messages of health experts over the course of the crisis,” said Eric
Merkley, a political scientist at the University of Toronto. “That
distinguishes us from the United States, where the Republican Party has
elevated covid skeptics quite substantially.”
People walk in Toronto’s Eaton Centre shopping mall as businesses in Ontario continue to reopen in June. (Carlos Osorio/Reuters)
Merkley is the lead author of a paper that describes Canada’s response as a “rare moment of cross-partisan consensus” among political elites and the public.
Canada’s
performance has included missteps. Before the country recorded its
first case, officials assured the public that the health-care system was
ready and the risk posed by the virus was “low.”
They
would repeat that message into early March. But as cases began to tick
up in February, some infectious-disease experts worried that inertia had
slowed the government’s response. Some said Canada was too slow to
close its borders, screen travelers and enforce quarantines. Some
provinces dispatched their own public health workers to airports to
screen travelers, encroaching on an area of federal jurisdiction.
There
were worries about shortages of personal protective equipment.
Government efforts to procure supplies ran into barriers. The problem
has not been entirely rectified. Chagla said his hospital still faces
shortages of N95 respirator masks.
Long-term-care
homes quickly emerged as hot spots. Roughly one-fifth of Canada’s cases
and more than 80 percent of its deaths have occurred in those
facilities, according to government figures, despite repeated warnings
about their vulnerabilities.
Spiraling
outbreaks in Ontario and Quebec were so severe that Ottawa agreed to
send the Canadian military to help. Soldiers documented abuses including
cockroach infestations, force feeding and “significant gross fecal
contamination” in patients’ rooms.
Canadian
service members wait in Toronto to convoy to Canadian Forces Base
Borden in Ontario in April to respond to government requests to help
fight the coronavirus. (Cole Burston/Getty Images)
Canada had nearly two decades to prepare for a pandemic.
In 2003, the severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, killed 44 people in Toronto — the most deaths outside Asia.
A
commission that reviewed the province’s response to the outbreak said
the public health-care system was “broken, neglected, inadequate and
dysfunctional.” In the next outbreak, it advised against waiting for
scientific certainty before implementing measures to reduce risk.
Kobinger,
who helped pioneer the Ebola vaccine, said the advice has not been
followed, particularly with respect to guidance on masks. Canada
recommended wearing masks many weeks after the United States, reversing
an earlier position and confusing citizens, he said.
Gardam,
who worked on the front lines of the 2003 outbreak, said he agreed at
the outset of the coronavirus pandemic with the officials who said
Canada had learned lessons from SARS — “only to find that some of the
issues we had during SARS just sort of came up again.”
Chagla
said now is not the time to be complacent. As of Tuesday evening,
Canada had reported more than 110,000 cases of coronavirus, 20th in the
world, and 8,843 deaths, according to data kept by Johns Hopkins. A
Canadian Senate committee reported this month that the country is ill-prepared to handle a second wave.
“I
think the Canadian mentality sometimes is to compare yourself to the
Americans,” Chagla said. “I think we certainly can, but we can also look
and see how could we have improved ourselves.”
B:-) Dnoym
Edited by Dnoym N. S. Can. - 14 Nov 2020 at 7:03pm
LOL........... Canada is SMALLER in population than California.... Los Angeles is 4.5 MILLION PEOPLE... Toronto is 2.5 MILLION..... San Diego is bigger than MOST cities in Canada..
There are THOUSANDS of air planes flying into a dozen large cities in the US every day.. There are MILLIONS of cars traveling cross country EVERY DAY. There are THOUSANDS of events across the country EVERY DAY.. People are on the move............
You compare that to INDIA or Pakistan where people done get 100ft from their house ? They are basically LOCKED DOWN 24-7 EVERY DAY of EVERY YEAR... Thats why they have no spread.... If you want to live in INDIA, CHINA, Afghanistan or other, thats fine... Thats NOT what the USA is all about.. We have FREEDOM and enjoy it... WE DONT WANT TO CHANGE.
Tell me, what would YOU DO to stop the WUHAN in the USA ?? And dont forget, WE WILL HAVE the Vaccine that is distributed to the world to "FIX" the problem.. WE are not locked down, WE ARE WORKING........ WE have 3 vaccines that are 90- 95% effective today.
How many family members of the 260,000 that DIED from the Virus would sacrifice a bit of there Freedom if it meant there loved ones would still be ALIVE ?
and that could easily be 'Social Distancing and Wearing a Mask'
Seems to be working quite well here in CANADA. Death Rate ONLY 94 / M
BTW the repeated comment that the US does more Testing.
Again, read the Worldometer.
Yesterday the US tested 399,418. INDIA tested 800,000.
The USA statistics are wacky compared to the world. Say you are 1 day to 6 month of dyeing from cancer but you get a positive test for covid you become a covid death by USA standards.
I believe in being scared to death, but look at the numbers. Even in the USA you have better than a 99% chance of surviving covid. Time to come out of the cave for 99% of the people and get back to work.
All one has to do is look at the statistics for places like MN - where the MAJOR DEATH COUNT is in long term care facilities - those under supervised and controlled access situations - where when your in them the chances YOUR GOING TO DIE rises exponentially - in other words - kiss your rear good by as you will be a statistic soon .
Life lesson: If you’re being chased by a lion, you’re on a horse, to the left of you is a giraffe and on the right is a unicorn, what do you do? You stop drinking and get off the carousel.
Kids below 15 years old have a higher chance of dieing from the yearly flu.. chance of dieing from WUHAN is almost ZERO.... People in the 30-50 range have an equal chance of dieing from WUHAN or the yearly flue.. again, very small.... 85% ( OR MORE) of the deaths are people over 60 ... normally 70-90... I dont think those people are running around town wearing masks... If they are, THEY NEED TO STAY HOME !!.. Like Ray said, let the workers all get back to work!
Two convenient or inconvenient accesses into aged care facilities, first is by the Clients themselves that require dialysis or Chemo treatments that CANNOT occur in the homes, are transported and remain for a considerable period of time in a facility where the virus is quite happy, second is care associates that ALSO work in those same type facilities and carry the damn virus in with themselves.
Might have mentioned it before but relation is a Pastor at a nursing home here in MN - she has had to deal with 85 deaths in that facilities up until July - have not talked to her in a while of how many more she has had to give comfort to or administer per say Last Rights to since then . But at same time she had 2 teenage daughters she also had to take care of at home - none of who contracted anything . How she managed to hold up I still can't fathom
Life lesson: If you’re being chased by a lion, you’re on a horse, to the left of you is a giraffe and on the right is a unicorn, what do you do? You stop drinking and get off the carousel.
who said they are not helping ??? Assume they are 14 and 15 years old... You want them to do the shopping, drive to town , pay the bills ... all while going to school ? If they are 19 you might have a point, but not much of one.
The USA statistics are wacky compared to the world. Say you are 1 day to 6 month of dyeing from cancer but you get a positive test for covid you become a covid death by USA standards.
I believe in being scared to death, but look at the numbers. Even in the USA you have better than a 99% chance of surviving covid. Time to come out of the cave for 99% of the people and get back to work.
Agree
"Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin
250,000 deaths in the USA........ 200,000 of them were over 65 years old... most of them were in the nursing home...... Like i said, if your under 55, its about like getting the yearly flu.
AND... the US is doing 2 MILLION TESTS PER DAY... not 300K.
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