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darrel in ND 
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Posted: 09 Jul 2015 at 9:29pm |
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Anyone have good knowledge of both that can tell me the pros and cons of each? I have a 5 which is a steering clutch "work in progress", but am considering aborting that mission, and buying a 6 that's already got the steering clutches removed. I would take all of the clutch parts that I have already bought for the 5, and providing that they are interchangeable, just put em in the 6. Is a 6 enough better of a machine to make it worth the change up. The price is right on the 6, and I believe it to be in much better shape than my 5 also. Any and all input welcome. Thanks, Darrel
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Ray54
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Posted: 09 Jul 2015 at 10:47pm |
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Other than the engine I don't think there is any difference in the early HD6 and HD5. Did the latter HD6 may have a power shift?Go check it out ,how are all the pivot pins in the loader,and the under carriage?
You give up on the HD5, I hope to have a use for a 2-71.
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Posted: 10 Jul 2015 at 4:01am |
both were stick shift. the first of the 6G's were the Buda engined ones with normally a dry clutch the later ones with the 6000 motor generally had the oil clutch. the 6G had a much heavier chassis. the clutch parts are the same. the later 6's had wider brake bands, the later 6's also had hydraulig pipes going across the steering clutch housing which need to be removed to access the clutch packs. other than that the back end is the same apart from later ones have different final drive ratios from the HD5's
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Posted: 10 Jul 2015 at 5:52am |
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The Detroit 2-71 is less expensive to repair and easier to find parts for than the HD344. The shovel on the G model went thru at least 3 revisions so having a HD6G you are more likely to have an improved shovel. Check that the bucket cylinder rods are not bent. The HD6G has a better balance so is less likely to stand on its nose with a full load in the bucket. If the over all condition of the HD6G is better, go for it. Try to sell the HD5 to someone that will keep it going. It is a shame to loose a classic machine for scrap. At least save the interchangible parts.
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darrel in ND
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Posted: 10 Jul 2015 at 7:46am |
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My plans wouldn't be to scrap the five, just put the project on hold for a while. I just need a track loader operational, sooner rather than later, and that left clutch on my 5 has fought me to my wits end, and still isn't out. I started cutting the drum apart,but when I ran out of cutting room and needed to turn it, it was locked up. Don't know why, it drove into the shop under it's own Power, and turned over freely when we took the bolts out. I don't know what happened. So, I kind of think I could get the 6 up and going in short order. However, the way my luck goes, I am sure Murphy s law would fall into play on it, too. Thanks, Darrel
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Posted: 10 Jul 2015 at 8:17am |
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Darrell I have had several of the HD6's. I like them-seem to have good power, decent brakes when they are set right. The last 1 had the oil main clutch was made in the mid 60's. It did not have the power assisted steering-that may not be the correct term. The later 344 motor in the 6 had a heaver lower end in the motor, better brakes than the earlier 6's and I think the hydraulics were better than the 5's.
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Posted: 10 Jul 2015 at 10:14am |
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Darrell, Do you have the serial # that would help us identify the improvements over the 5?. Pictures? how about some pictures, you mentioned some time ago you had a handle on that. If not you could message them to me and I could post them up.
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Posted: 10 Jul 2015 at 4:24pm |
Parts interchange - back end same , loaders on the 6 evolved over life , 2 more links in track on 6 over 5 - 2-71 easier engine it work on and 5 is easier machine to maneuver in tight spaces as a little smaller and lighter . 5 is 1 yd machine - 6 is 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 yd machine for bucket .
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Posted: 11 Jul 2015 at 6:20am |
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Since you have started to cut the steering clutch drum you should continue to remove it before setting the project aside. If the drum is resting on the lower brake band it should be reasonably close to being aligned with the flanges on the input and output hubs that have kept the assembly from coming out. Push the drum down on to the brake band and it should rotate. This might require a hammer. The only other thing that might keep the drum from rotating is the throughout bearing. The reason I think you should remove the drum now is that you have grinding grit that will further complicate the situation with time.
Good luck
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Posted: 11 Jul 2015 at 4:51pm |
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Sounds like you have the right idea from my perspective. I have cut 2 frozen steering clutches out and while it was a pain, it worked out OK. I cut in circumference around the hub where the space is located that allows the inner disc assembly to collapse into the outer brake hub. I cut to make a gap equal to the amount needed to collapse the smaller piece off its flanged hub and then the larger piece comes out easily. You can't save any of the clutch parts that way, but I don't know of a decent alternative.. I keep about 6 steering clutch brake assemblies around for my HD-5/6 Tractors with dry clutches. The HD-6 Loader bucket rolls back farther than the HD-5 preventing spillage, but both machines were ahead of their time and great little Tractors!
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darrel in ND
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Posted: 12 Jul 2015 at 10:01am |
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Hey, thanks for all of the in-put guys; I really appreciate it. I do think that when I get caught up on my real work and have a moment's breather, I am going to take another hard run at that 5, because I do not need any more un-finished projects around my place, and if I put it aside till a later date, well, that later date will probably never get here.
Mel, as far as pictures go, my son tried posting some here just the other day, and failed. But says he'll take another run at it here when he gets some free time again. I have him running pretty hard making hay these days. Later, Darrel
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