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What is Difference between 645 and 645B loaders |
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Amos ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario Points: 1318 |
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What are the differences between these two loaders?
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 85040 |
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Allis-Chalmers’ main competitors (Michigan, Hough & Caterpillar) all had 40 degree steering to either side whereas the 645’s steering angle went to 45 degrees either side of centre.
In this form, the 645 was manufactured up to 1972 when an upgrade of the design was undertaken. Principal changes included a new engine, the model 3500-II and the introduction of Allison’s new “soft-shift” modulated transmission. Bucket capacities and tipping loads remained the same. Throughout the upheaval of the Fiat buy up, the 645B continued in production (as the Fiat-Allis 645B) and was finally declared obsolete in 1981 after some 6200 had been produced. The model 645/645B was the most successful and numerous wheel loader ever manufactured by Allis-Chalmers. Edited by steve(ill) - 10 Nov 2023 at 8:39am |
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 85040 |
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Eric B ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Feb 2012 Location: British Columbi Points: 961 |
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Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal!
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Amos ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario Points: 1318 |
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interesting history in that link but other than the fuel system and soft shift transmission, there is no other difference mentioned.
Reason I am asking is I have a 645B i am using and i found a 645 that is a parts machine condition only. If there is not much interchangeable then its not worth much to me...
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Codger ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2132 |
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I remember both machines a bit. Not a lot of differences between the two outside of the mentioned ones in the article. Anything that age is going to need some bushing work in the articulation and linkage parts, but IIRC not much was any different between the "B" series and original except the fuel system. To the end user, not much at all. The later "B" series did have a little nicer insulation and air conditioning was an option. Never seen insulation at all in the original series.
As far as hard parts I'd think they are very close and if the donor can be had cheap enough, and you have need, the purchase would be justified with the first part swapped.
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 53103 |
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Not mine, saw this on CL, last night...
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Codger ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2132 |
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I don't remember ever seeing that double windshield at all; only the single flat windscreen with wiper.
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Ian Beale ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 03 Oct 2011 Location: New South Wales Points: 987 |
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Wasn't one of the Allis loader line continued in Sweden ?
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Eric B ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Feb 2012 Location: British Columbi Points: 961 |
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Yes, the company is called Ljungby Maskin. For many years they rebuilt old Allis loaders and then later, (after Allis was all finished so as to not get in trouble with patent laws) they started building new ones. When you check out their design, especially of the loader arms, tilt and cylinder placements they are a true copy of the articulated Allis loaders. They have now gone away from rebuilding Allis loaders and don't supply any such (aftermarket) parts. In the European market, especially, Ljungby loaders are of good reputation, expensive to buy used, even with 20 to 30 thousand hours on the meter.
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Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal!
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orangeman ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 1812 |
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As Codger mentioned I think there was a change in the fuel injection pump on the 645B. Bosch comes to mind and Simms. ~ Orangeman
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