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AM/FM Switch on C.B.Radio ???

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    Posted: 08 Mar 2025 at 3:46am
I am looking at a 40-Channel C.B.Radio that has a feature that I am totally unfamiliar with; it has an AM/FM Switch.

I may be totally wrong about this; but, the way it looks, one can choose AM or FM on any of the 40 channels.

I have no idea which would be normal for a radio that lacks the ability to select; would normal be AM or FM ?

When and why and under what circumstances would I opt for either AM or FM ?

I have owned and used hundreds of C.B.s and have never seen nor heard of this feature before.




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In the USA you'll be on AM generally, not sure if FM has been legalised for no-licence there yet but I did hear something about it a few years back I think.

Over here in the UK we're the opposite way around, 27MHz/11Meters FM is our legal band, AM is illegal (although I do own some old Cobra AM rigs and have been known to earwig whatever skip I can pull in on a nice evening, just don't key up lol)

Does the rig you're looking at have a little "27/81" logo on the faceplate somewhere? If so then it'll be designed for use on the UK band also.


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Originally posted by ekjdm14 ekjdm14 wrote:

In the USA you'll be on AM generally, not sure if FM has been legalised for no-licence there yet but I did hear something about it a few years back I think.

Over here in the UK we're the opposite way around, 27MHz/11Meters FM is our legal band, AM is illegal (although I have been known to earwig whatever skip I can pull in on a nice evening, just don't key up lol)

What I have been finding says FM was made legal in US in 2021; AM is still legal as well.

One point I did read that may or may not be correct was that, if one has their switch set to FM, although they can hear them and probably hear them better/clearer, they cannot communicate with people who are on AM; to me, that would probably be a huge annoyance as the majority of radios out there are not yet going to have the FM ability.



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That's correct, you can't communicate across different modulations. You might get some kind of bleed-over effect if the two stations were very close (within few hundred feet on good groundplane antenna, a bit like the garbled "donald duck" of sideband coming in on a mid band set) but otherwise the two are exclusive.

From experience, FM is definitely very much clearer and higher fidelity BUT very much less range-per-watt compared to AM, with zero chance of any "skip" (where you can hear folk clear across the country on a clear evening).

One other advantage to running FM there, if you're communicating between a local network where you can all be on FM then you would be far less likely to get randomers coming in over the top of who you're actually calling (I gather channel 6 over there is quite ridiculous now & even 19 gets congested with folk who don't know how to take it up or down a few after making contact.


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Originally posted by ekjdm14 ekjdm14 wrote:

That's correct, you can't communicate across different modulations.

So, in effect, by having an AM/FM switch, you are making a 40-channel radio into an 80-channel radio; maybe not technically, but practically, right ?


Something else I read led me to believe that there are devices one can add on a straight AM radio to provide switchable FM ability; of course, as such things go, one could probably buy a new AM/FM radio for about the same money.   
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That's the way I look at it yes. Having the ability to switch gives you the best of both worlds without having to have either another add-on (if already running a linear, don't need more wires trailing) or a whole seperate rig like I have.

Not sure on the add-on convertors, I'd imagine it's possible but like you say they're probably not cheap.
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Last radio I picked up has that option, push the channel selector in and switches to FM(Red indication on channel indicator), accidentally hit that one day swapping channels on the truck driven at work, has same radio, lost outbound capability but could kind of hear others. Pushed channel selector and back to AM and all normal. Know of no one around here using FM bands.
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Originally posted by fjdrill fjdrill wrote:

Come on all you truckers talk to Teddy Bear.  Teddy Bear was AM only

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Having both AM (the historical 'standard' for US Citizen's Band) and FM modes, does NOT constitute having '80 channels'.  It means you've got two different modulation types fighting over the same 'channel'... interfering with eachother.

Let's do some basic theory here.  A radio transmitter is a device which has, at it's simplest configuration, an oscillator.   Like a BELL... it rings.  It's ringing at a frequency much higher than what you can hear, but it's ringing... and it's not generating mechanical air pressure, it's generating a magnetic field that is alternating.  Because of what it does, it 'disrupts' the magnetic environment around us.  Most radio-frequency activity occurs between 540 Kilohertz (the bottom end of the AM broadcast band), and 5.0 Gigahertz (your cellphone's higherp-end Wi-Fi connection).  Frequencies in the lower ranges tend to 'bounce' their way around the globe, while frequencies higher up tend to be line-of-sight.

IF you take a coil of wire, and connect a circuit that can gather that disruption, you can hear the PRESENCE of a transmission.

IF one end turns that oscillator on and off... and someone far away can HEAR that oscillator turn on and off, you can 'key' out a signal using the off-and-on... and you have radio telegraphy.

Now let's say you increase the pitch of the 'note'... go up to 4.3 Terahertz... that's the visible light spectrum.  Turn a light bulb on and off, and you're transmitting a radio signal by telegraphy... because light is electromagnetic, and our eyes CAN DETECT radio-frequency energy in the 4.3 Terahertz range!!!

So turning a light on and off, is technically a radio transmission and reception method, and by turning it on and off, you place intelligability in the transmission.  Two boy scouts with flashlights sending morse-code.

Now here's where 'modulation' comes in.

Continuous Wave (CW) is simply the circumstance of a signal being off or on.  You can call it 'Morse Code', but technically, it's a Continuous Wave mode, that USES a series of short and long on-times, separated by off times, to yield a message.   Radio guys refer to this as "CW".

AMPLITUDE Modulation, is when the INTENSITY of the transmit energy is varied, to yield an intelligable signal... it's basically a circumstance where, instead of turning the light on and off, you turn it on, but you VARY the brightness (like, with a microphone) to pass some message from one side to the other.

Frequency modulation, is changing the 'note' of the bell... or in the case of light, changing the COLOR of the light... and the message is sent through the change of color.

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The amount of 'power' required to carry a signal, is highest using FM.  It 'sounds' quieter, because the presence of static has no impact on the change of frequency that the reciever is looking for... but in order for information to be carried through, the modulation must swing the pitch up and down, such that any 'channel' above and below will be encroached upon... resulting in interfereance.

AM requires significantly less power, and that power is focused on just ONE frequency, so you can have 'channels' much closer together than in FM.

Then there's Single Sideband Suppressed Carrier, aka "SSB".  SSB is an AM signal, but where the actual carrier frequency, and ONE HALF of the modulation waveform domain has been removed.  The receiving station 'adds' the carrier and other sideband, to reassemble the intelligable signal.  This means that all the transmitter's power is thus focused on the modulation envelope that remains... all the transmitter's power goes into the intelligable signal.  As a result, SSB and CW carry much farther because of their higher efficiency... and they require less 'bandwidth' to do what they do.

Finally, there's CW... which is the most effective at reaching out the farthest with the least amount of power.

FM was approved by the FCC for use in the US, but it's a very foolish idea... very few 'cb operators' have a clue about how RF energy works... and in the modern 'free-for-all'' circumstance means everybody will be doing everything everywhere, walking on everybody else.
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i dont know any thing about the am fm but i have a cobra ltd 129 in my service truck with upper and lower side band that kind neat once
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