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A comment on your NH, the 7120, 8120 and 9120 are all NH based combines. Case removed the twin rotors and put in their single, hence all the problems with the early 8010's. They were designed for twin rotors. The large Case combine that was being designed was scrapped for the NH platform after NH purchased Case. The X088 series is still based on the old original axial flow that IH built in the 70's. Used to live next door to combine engineer from the GI NE plant.

If you want to be real accurate on the origins of the axial Gleaner, it can be traced back to the White combines. That pretty much looks to me that massey is painting an AGCO machine red and gray. Actually, all three colors of this design (class 8) were released at nearly the same time so it is difficult to credit it to any one brand. Maybe the next time around Gleaner will have the transverse in a class 8 or 9. I think ILGleaner would give it serious consideration-unless it has massey decals on it.

KCgrain, if you look back into the records, the NH combine was a IH design.IH designed both the single and twin rotor, but sold the twin rotor to NH, with the exception that IH would not introduce the single rotor for a year. So you have an IH combine painted yellow. Massey combines are a White design. I know a few local people that say (after owning a massey) that they would never buy another brand of combine. I run Gleaners and would not trade for anything. If ya put a blue oval on my pickup, Id trade it in a HEART BEAT, I run Chevrolet and Allis-Chalmers, and NOTHINGS gona change that!

Edited by Dans 7080 - 10 Dec 2010 at 12:00pm

IG, I love your reasoning.  Dad.  Nuf said.

Same here. We started with an Allis WC. Added a UC Allis. Then added a Brockway and Farmal F12. Finally blew up engine on UC, (don't ask me how) and upgraded to a 335 Moline. Somewhere in there,(maybe 57 or 58), added another WC with 24" rubber and loader. My heart still lies with Allis as it did with Dad.

I have utmost respect for what ILGLEANER is saying. I too was raised on silver combines, orange tractors and gmc/chevy, and I have an 80 year old father that is still mildly interested in farm concerns. I guess I am a"Junior" member here, but I want to jump in...First if you look at the merits of the machine, regardless of the paint or the galvanize on it, It is my opinion that the   A series combines sold in Silver, Red, and even darker Red(Laverda) are quite possibly the best machine on the market currently. Second, if we want to get technical, I know for a fact that Cockshutt of Brantford Ontario Canada was doing r and d on this basic design as early as 1951, which by the way is when a company called John Deere started looking at "Rotary" applications. So, I guess the A series is really a Cockshutt design, not White Sewing Machine or a Varity Corp design. Keep in mind that at least 40% of the parts used on the A series are in common with the R/S machines. I think that makes it an AGCO machine. I no longer farm, I hope to get back at it this spring on some rented ground with a gleaner E, a 1946 chevy grain truck, a 7 inch auger, a 190xt and a 15 foot co-op discer. Fifteen years ago my Dad sold the family farm to a local politician for big bucks. If it had worked out differently, I'm sure I would have been looking at an A series. By the way, my father and I did not speak until my son was born 7 years ago. Last year I took him to the Western Farm Progress show in Regina Sask where we live. Of course we went to the AGCO booth, he had a good look at an A85 I think it was, including climbing into the back and the cab. I asked him what he thought, and he said quietly "unbelievable". Just my two cents boys, but lets not start fights with each other when we dont know the facts...TREV. Sorry for the long post.

Kcgrain, thank you for a great question. And who knows, with all the stuff we are reading lately Gleaner, White, MF, Cat, Case IH, and NH maybe all on the same sign out in front of a dealer near you. When they get their guns reloaded, then they can go deer hunting.

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