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    Posted: 09 Dec 2010 at 11:38am
A coworker always brings in one of the tractor classified publications in and throws them on the break table.  I thumb through them from time to time. 

Any way, I noticed one Cat dealer in MO had a high number of crawlers, mostly D4's and even some D6's, none with blades, most made in the Late 60's/early 70's.  I have been on a lot of cat dealers lots and never seen a crawler of this size without blades except for pipe layers. 

Now I know that some areas with black gumbo type dirt used to use crawler tractors but all the ones I have seen are 40's/50's and smaller, less than 50hp.  Why did this area in MO keep using them for so long?  My father has a D7, so I know that undercarriage cost is high but its a different use/application.  Has anyone hear used the 100+hp steel tract crawler for farming? How does operating cost compare to rubber tires or even rubber tract tractors?  Couldn't imagine transport issues between fields, would have to pray the county wouldn't consider paving the road. 

 
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Go here for some great stuff about farming with tracks.

There are reasons to not have blades, but it is rare to see a lot of them together. Probably soil conditions or it has simply become the norm for some reason. My crawlers will walk on wet ground (pulling a load) that rubber only dreams of getting near.

Undercarriage is very expensive, but actually lasts a long time. Pulling a simple load can result in roller life that matches engine life. SALT tracks can last nearly forever. (None of mine have that luxury.) However, side loads or rolling turns can eat roller flanges in a thousand hours. 

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Might be used for pulling scrapers.
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Many were used as pull unit for scrapers but also some had push plates on some to push self loading scrapers.
 Ag use could be another setup. As you mentioned they could have been pipe machines but the attachments were removed to mount on new units.
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Not sure if this is the reason but runs in line with the scraper idea.  There was and may
still be a lot of rice raised in Southern Missouri.  They used a lot of land levelers in that line of farming (I am told) and could have been used to pull a land leveler.   Den

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I've done a fair amount of farming with a crawler up here in North Idaho,ran for a couple years before I got a cat stuck,I ran a ST270 Stieger for about a month,and when I got that bad boy stuck.....epic actually fits.

I prefer a Crawler up here,we farm some stuff you can't get a wheel tractor to stick to.
Cost of undercarrage repairs is about the same as replacing tires....except the crawler can sit 20 years and not need tires.

A D4 or D6 sized machine seems kinda small for earthmoving,up here mostly it's D-7 and D-8 for that,the 4s and 6s were farming tractors mostly. (lately the trend seems to be towards Challenger type tractors with the rubber tracks,and IH quadtracs,I ain't a fan of the quadtrac)



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May have to ask the Cat dealer.  Inquisitive minds need to know! 
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Most all of those tractors were set up just like the link that MDiesel provided, cabs and all. 

I haven't seen many pipe layers with cabs, actually I don't think I seen one at all.  And I am sure they werent scraper machines, as most were late 60/early 70s machines and most had gone to self propelled scrappers by then and none of them had the push plates or winches that I could see. 

I don't think I have ever seen a 6 pull a bowl either?  I have only seen old 7's and 8's working on bowls. 

I will look again and see exactly where all those machines are. 

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Not saying you're wrong, they might not have been scraper tractors but the pull behind scraper is still in use today.

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I have an article in a mag with D10s and D11s "Cat and cans". They had pull pans behind them, it was said that for the length of haul and the non need for "push cats" they were more effective. The AG crawlers had a lighter front grill while the construction models had one much heavier.
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Originally posted by firebrick43 firebrick43 wrote:

A coworker always brings in one of the tractor classified publications in and throws them on the break table.  I thumb through them from time to time. 

Any way, I noticed one Cat dealer in MO had a high number of crawlers, mostly D4's and even some D6's, none with blades, most made in the Late 60's/early 70's.  I have been on a lot of cat dealers lots and never seen a crawler of this size without blades except for pipe layers. 

Now I know that some areas with black gumbo type dirt used to use crawler tractors but all the ones I have seen are 40's/50's and smaller, less than 50hp.  Why did this area in MO keep using them for so long?  My father has a D7, so I know that undercarriage cost is high but its a different use/application.  Has anyone hear used the 100+hp steel tract crawler for farming? How does operating cost compare to rubber tires or even rubber tract tractors?  Couldn't imagine transport issues between fields, would have to pray the county wouldn't consider paving the road. 

 

Neighbor uses a 65 Challenger but when it's real greasy the inside of the tracks slip and it loses some of it's turning abilities. His tracks are needing replacement though so that might contribute to the problem. The expense of track replacement has lead him to just limp by. He really would rather have a large FWA tractor so he says.
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If the grounds wet enough that you have to use a crawler my pappy would say "Stay off it"
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Claus, thanks for the picture.  That is the first triangle track cat with a 4 wheel scraper bowl that I have seen. 

I know there are a few out there, and I have seen pics of D10s with a mounted scraper bowl (not a 4 wheeled one) but they are for special applications, custom built and rare.  The bowls are popular for 4wd tractors now, so much that both case and JD make a scrapper version that typically has two single axle bowls hooked in tandem, usually with triples on the tractor but not always.  I think they have heavier axles and modified hydraulic systems. 

I found the ad again.  It was Zimmer tractor in Versailles, MO.  http://www.crawlerbulldozer.com/

They do have a lot of dozers and track loaders as well list on their website.  They are listing the crawlers under construction equipment, 14 without blades many on the website description as "ag crawler".  Called my dad last night, that work/sold cat equipment for 20 some years. The SA stood for special application and typically included higher HP engines, no blade, Tall intake/exhaust stacks, hydraulic remotes, ptos sometimes,  and later ones very good postive pressure cabs.

They also have 2 HD6's listed as Ag crawlers

They also have a 6601 JD pull type combine listed pictured on a crawler w/pto, I have never seen that big of a pull type combine.  Do they still make such beast?
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Alright, for all you crawler gurus out there...

Great grandfather bought a cat 22 brand spankin new and it is sitting in the uncles barn waiting to be operable and shown with pride some day. Until that day, I've thought about a few things, but never really had anybody to answer them.

Are working on crawlers really a whole nother ball game? Would I need a large shop with an overhead crane and such? Would a large jack and large jack stands be enough?

What exactly is included in the term "undercarriage" and are the parts hard to replace?
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I'm sure the oldtimers didn't have big shops and overhead cranes in the old days.  Of coarse it would be nicer and safer.  Those tracks, sprockets and rollers get expensive pretty quickly.
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