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DMiller 
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 Topic: Last of my 18v tooling
Posted: 03 Dec 2024 at 6:00am |
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Been using my battery tools pretty often where the old batteries are giving it up, motors and gearing in the tools finally giving out where one drill smoked the other day and another got exceptionally HOT. So all are headed to Scrap/trash. All the batteries are headed to recycle bins.
Not sure if will buy any of the L-ion tooling available as not willing to deal with the issues of those as to fires or as have noted crappy quality China Made. Has to be something out there worth the money corded and gen or cordless.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 03 Dec 2024 at 6:18am |
Aside from corded devices, no other option except for Lithium batteries. I bought 3 of the drill/driver/2 batts/charger/case units from HD 5-6 years ago (Ryobi 18+ ) 1 still in cupboard, original drill still runs fine, all batteries 'ok'. Also have low power blower and weedwhacker. Minimal use, so they'll outlive me , I suspose. friend has one of the 40 volt lawnmowers and battery 'died'. cutting thick grass, in middle of summer is NOT easy on ANY battery.motor overheats(TALL,THICK grass), high current deand, battery self heats, safety sensor 'bricks' battery, cannot be reset,so cannot be recharged. Another 'great' design from an 'engineer'....
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DMiller
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Posted: 03 Dec 2024 at 6:29am |
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May just have to go back to Cords. Not as demonstrably painful as so many sales lit ads show out. Lived that way until the late eighties, can revert back.
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Hubert (Ga)engine7
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Posted: 03 Dec 2024 at 6:45am |
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Still using my 18V Dewalt tools and getting batteries from Batteries Plus but also have a number of Bauer tools from HF. Quality seems to be about the same. Handy to have for quick tasks or in the field with no other power available.
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Posted: 03 Dec 2024 at 8:11am |
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Its kinda a big investment - but we use Makita at work - 18 volt, 36 volt saws, grinders, drills - use them hard and they hold up well- only thing is the batteries dont charge well under 35 degrees, sure beats dragging cords out,,
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 03 Dec 2024 at 8:57am |
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I have had a 19.2v Craftsman set for about 20 years. They work GREAT. Have bought aftermarket batteries of Amazon and had good success..... For that reason SON bought 20v Craftsman set... Not so good.. Drills are cheap made with no HP and dont last long. His grinder and impact seem to be OK.... Bought it becasue it was around $200. on sale for the set , where Dewault and Milwaukee were in the $7-900. range...... If i was doing it today i think i would look at the Harbor Freight tools and see check the quality and power of their 20v tools... Set cost in the $200. ... might be good for the part time user.. If i was using it DAILY ( like i do the 19.2v set) , i might be temped to look at the Dewalt , Milwaukee , Makita tools for the $$$.
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Thad in AR.
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Posted: 03 Dec 2024 at 11:35am |
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Whichever way you go, now is the time to buy.
Some incredible buys right now.
I just bought a cordless 20 volt Dewalt 1/4” crown stapler for well over $100 off the normal price.
I need to get some batteries before Christmas sales are over as well.
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Posted: 03 Dec 2024 at 3:07pm |
I need to find someone that rebuilds 40 volt batteries . I have a Lynxx chain saw and got a couple of batteries wet in the rain and they have a circuit board and won't charge.
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Posted: 04 Dec 2024 at 6:14am |
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Sounds like it's time for an upgrade! For reliability, consider high-quality corded tools like DeWalt or Milwaukee. If you reconsider cordless, their newer Li-ion tools have improved safety and performance. Just avoid off-brand options for better durability.
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Posted: 04 Dec 2024 at 8:48pm |
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I’m still using my 18 volt black and decker firestorm equipment. Have replaced the batteries with LIon 20 volt replacements. You can get adapters that allow new tool battery or like I did the old style battery with LIon guts. I had to buy a new charger but they now have more power than ever and last a long time. They’re also half the weight of the old batteries. If the adapters would have been available at the time I would have got those instead. Then I could have used the new Dewalt ones. Don’t know why B&D and dewalt used different batteries. There the same tool in a different case. When a buddy left my 1/2” drill on the roof of his car and drove away. I joined the B&D maintainance app every thing inside the case used the same part numbers for both brands.
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Posted: 06 Dec 2024 at 10:54am |
I have been using Ridgid tools from Home Depot for quite a few years now. They LAST The MAIN reason is that they have a LIFETIME warranty/guuarantee!! Not just the tools, but the batteries also!! All you have to do is register them and you're set for life. I've NEVER had a problem with them yet and as I say, I've been using em for more than 10 years.
Home Depot has a sale on them right now too!! Check em out!
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Posted: 06 Dec 2024 at 11:48am |
 Ted J wrote:
I have been using Ridgid tools from Home Depot for quite a few years now. They LAST The MAIN reason is that they have a LIFETIME warranty/guuarantee!! Not just the tools, but the batteries also!! All you have to do is register them and you're set for life. I've NEVER had a problem with them yet and as I say, I've been using em for more than 10 years.
Home Depot has a sale on them right now too!! Check em out! |
I’ve got a half inch corded drill, a half inch impact, and a little drill/ screwdriver. No complaints, seems like nice stuff.
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Posted: 06 Dec 2024 at 11:53am |
Ted J wrote:
I have been using Ridgid tools from Home Depot for quite a few years now. They LAST The MAIN reason is that they have a LIFETIME warranty/guuarantee!! Not just the tools, but the batteries also!! All you have to do is register them and you're set for life. I've NEVER had a problem with them yet and as I say, I've been using em for more than 10 years.
Home Depot has a sale on them right now too!! Check em out! |
Have heard nothing but good things about Ridgid branded tools, a few of the (professional) mechanics I watch on youtube use them & swear by them. Definitely a brand I'd try. The lifetime warranty is a huge bonus.
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Posted: 06 Dec 2024 at 3:21pm |
Rigid, Ryobi and Milwaukee are all made in the same Chinese factory. All are about equal in my opinion. I have the ryobi line, cause that's what I started out with 20+ years ago. color might have changed, but the battery and connection has remained the same. Another plus is that Ryobi makes more different tools than the other 2. Picked up a tin cutter at a flea mkt a couple 3 weeks ago for $25.
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Posted: 11 Dec 2024 at 7:33pm |
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I just ordered a DeWalt 20v MAX cordless drill & impact driver including 2 batteries & charger (DCK240C2) for $50 (includes shipping). It was a Wayfair promotion on Facebook. Hope it's not a scam.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 11 Dec 2024 at 7:51pm |
hopefully paid with credit card.... that gives you some protection.
quik buy 2-3 more !!!
That DCK240C2 kit is $180 CDN at 2 different stores so with taxes ,over 200 Canucks !!!
Edited by jaybmiller - 11 Dec 2024 at 7:53pm
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Posted: 11 Dec 2024 at 7:54pm |
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This is a scam. I received confirmation order from xccartapps.com, which I found (on google) to be a scam.
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Posted: 11 Dec 2024 at 8:35pm |
Seems the EU is ahead of the US , they passed a law ALL BATTERY POWERED devices in tool sales MUST interchange batteries - NO PRIORITY plug in or charging systems on brands . So voltage sets the charger and the tool operation - and be compatible across brand name .
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Posted: 11 Dec 2024 at 8:56pm |
hard to believe they will do one thing in Europe and another in the USA... Hopefully this will be a World Standard..... wonder WHO picks the design .... anyway, its a good idea, just like computer plugs, etc.. --------------------------------------------------
According to recent regulations in the European Union, starting from 2026, all battery-operated tools sold in the EU will be required to use a standardized battery platform, meaning that batteries across different brands and types of power tools will be interchangeable; essentially creating a standard battery for all tools in the EU. Key points about the EU battery standard: - Interchangeable batteries: The goal is to allow users to use the same battery across various power tools from different manufacturers.
- European Battery Interface (EBI): This is the name given to the standardized battery platform being developed by the EU.
- Implementation date: The new battery standard is expected to be fully implemented by 2026.
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Posted: 12 Dec 2024 at 7:01pm |
Perhaps someone will start manufacturing adapters for tools and batteries.
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Posted: 12 Dec 2024 at 8:57pm |
The EuroBattery thing is a good idea... and a bad idea.
Let's say you did the same thing for starting your motor vehicles:
Either you would have a tiny battery in your compact city car, and twenty tiny batteries in a dump truck...
Or you'd have a huge battery in your compact city car.
It means your cordless soldering iron's little battery pack would be the same one in your oscillating multi-tool, and your SDS-PLUS hammer drill... where the first tool would work fine, but the other two would need to be changed several times during one operation...
Or your soldering iron would have a handle full of battery too big to hold when touching up an SMD on a printed circuit board.
I don't think an 'industry standard battery interface scheme' is a bad idea, but 'just one' battery isn't.
There's a reason why we have Group 24, Group 27, and Group 8D vehicle batteries. Batteries within a 'group' are in effect, universal fitment... and that's the way cordless tools SHOULD be.
Be that all as it may, I don't buy new batteries for my tools... I disassemble the packs, remove the expired cells, drop in a new array of modern cells, get some nickel strap, and spot-weld up a new battery pack. Then I solder in a new charge control circuit, and clean up the (perpetually corroded) terminals on the battery.
Yeah, new Lithium-Something batteries do NOT charge when too hot, or too cold, and they go 'on strike' when they're at the edge of that range. Reality is, that humans are much more capable of contending with difficult work environments, than these tools can. older ni-cad and NMH batteries had a wider op range, these fancy types may have much more energy density, but a much lesser tolerance window of operation. I dislike that, too... because I have a job to do, it cannot wait for the 'comfort' of some engineer's performance window.
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Posted: 12 Dec 2024 at 9:24pm |
I doubt there will be ONE battery... I would assume all 20v batteries use the same PLUG... all 24 use the same PLUG.. and 36 or 48 use the same PLUG.. etc... You dont want to plug a 36 v batterie into a 20v tool.... but ALL 20v tools should be the same..
that being said, there are presently several Adapters.. and im sure that the 18v Milwaukee, 18v Dewalt and 19.2V Craftsman will be available aftermarket for years to come.. Too many tools out there to just drop it..
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Posted: 13 Dec 2024 at 4:13am |
Reminds me of that story about the Prussian? emperor who after a war retired and collected clocks, trying to make 15 or 20 to be synchronized. after years of trying, he commented what a fool I was to think I could get men to all think alike, when I can't get clocks to run at the same speed...
Then there's this gem... 
English to become official language of the EU
The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English". In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f". This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter. In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away. By the 4th yer peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v". During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensi bl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi TU understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru. Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst plas. |
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Posted: 13 Dec 2024 at 6:08am |
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I’ve been buying Bauer tools that Dewalt doesn’t make and converting them to fit Dewalt batteries.
Takes about 20 minutes with a die grinder and a solder gun.
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Posted: 13 Dec 2024 at 6:17am |
Clay, Ryobi's 18V tools and batteries are 'universal'. The SAME connection is used so Ni-Cad or Li-ion batteries will fit ANY tool. I can use 5ah or 10ah battery packs in my weed whacker or circsaw. There are several 'cross-platform' adapters to allow you to use say, Mil20V battery on a Ryo19v drill. Even ones that can have 2 - 18v packs to power 40v tools.
It sounds like the eurobattery is JUST a 'common connector' and that should have been mandated for EVs decades ago. Heck ALL gas stations and vehicles have a 'one size fits all' fuel hose/fuel tank opening. I like the 2-3 or more battery pack for EV platform that someone has( or will...).
Just be grateful the aviation industry was standardized with respect to fueling !!!!
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Posted: 13 Dec 2024 at 8:12am |
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Thanks for the information about RYOBI information. I did not know they were universal.
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