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Tracy Martin TN 
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Posted: 09 Jul 2015 at 9:09pm |
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What color was the 616-620 tractors? The frames,decks, and wheels. I can't find the color in any of my manuals.Thanks Tracy
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WD45Diesel57
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Posted: 09 Jul 2015 at 10:34pm |
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I believe they are in the era of the second Persian orange and cream coloured wheels.
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Posted: 09 Jul 2015 at 11:18pm |
 WD45Diesel57 wrote:
I believe they are in the era of the second Persian orange and cream coloured wheels. |
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Posted: 10 Jul 2015 at 7:11am |
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the deck and stripes on my 616's seem more white than cream, I intend on anything painted being cream and having maple hunter make up a set of decals in cream. They will do it at no additional cost.
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Steve in NJ
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Posted: 10 Jul 2015 at 7:25am |
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When I took the panels off of my 620, the paint inside the frame rails was more of a Red-Orange than like the lighter Persian Orange II. You could see the paint faded a bit on the outside sheetmetal which sorta looked similar to the PO II, but still not light enough. With a little research, I found that the Dupli-color DE1607 spray paint was darn close to the inside of that frame rail. Only bout' a shade or two off. This comes up as a Chevrolet Orange-Red on the spray can cap. I figured I'd go with that color. Its a pretty darn close match to the Orange under the hood also.. ?
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WD45Diesel57
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Posted: 10 Jul 2015 at 7:31am |
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you can get the factory Persian orange from AGCO for $45 a quart around here. My opinion that paint is the best, ive never had good success with automotive paint
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Posted: 10 Jul 2015 at 8:54pm |
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I believe its corporate orange,not Persian 1 or 2,i always use agcos cloud white on wheels,there crème is not right, cloud white always looks correct,i use spray cans
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Posted: 10 Jul 2015 at 9:54pm |
Toscani NE SD wrote:
I believe its corporate orange,not Persian 1 or 2,i always use agcos cloud white on wheels,there crème is not right, cloud white always looks correct,i use spray cans |
No, corporate orange came out in 1977. These particular machines were built from 1972 to 1975.
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Posted: 11 Jul 2015 at 5:44am |
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616 in 72,620 720 was way past 75,im just saying corporate looks most accurate,certainly not chevy orange red,i painted my 720 and compared to my super nice original 620 and is super close match,thats all im going to say about this.
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Steve in NJ
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Posted: 13 Jul 2015 at 6:25am |
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Hey who knows, maybe the guy that shot the Tractor I have had a little darker mix in the gun when it came down the assembly line. All I'm saying is the color I found was a close match to the inside of the frame rail, so I went with the color I chose. I'm not saying this is accurate, just matched it up with mine. I'm not that picky, just cleaning up the ole girl. Your's could be much lighter and more accurate than mine. Lighten up, its all good...
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Posted: 13 Jul 2015 at 8:05am |
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I agree with Steve but I almost think they were sprayed the red orange (maybe for Simplicity?) and then they got rehit with persian II. It looks like 2 distinct colors to me on my tractors
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Posted: 13 Jul 2015 at 11:43am |
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when i look inthe deep dark corners of my simplicity 101 it is a little redder orange. but now it is faded and looks like it was po#2 when i got the 616 running early this spring i used some corperate orange spray can in were the battery sits and mine looks to be definantly persian orange #2 asfor the grill or rims my new front wheels are creme but they may have been a whiter color
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Rod in MN
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Posted: 19 Jul 2015 at 10:04pm |
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If the paint color is the same as a 611LTD this is the paint I came up with at my paint shop they scan it
Nason Ful-Thane 2K Urethane
CG6061B Cost Code D
Car: Allis Chalmers
Code: Camera Formula Year 1979
Color: Corporate Orange
I can get the formula if you still need it
Rod in MN
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Posted: 21 Jul 2015 at 1:15pm |
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Does anyone have what was the colors in AC printed material? Manual or advertisement. Thanks tracy
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Posted: 21 Jul 2015 at 5:06pm |
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probley find a pn. for touch up paint but i have took paint can #s and got paint suppley places to try to cross the #s but they do not ever come up with any thing
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Posted: 22 Jul 2015 at 6:14am |
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I was doing some of my own research a couple years ago when I first bought my 620, but never really got anywhere with it. That's why I went with just trying to match a color that was sorta' close. Wasn't really anal bout' it. Figured I'd just get somethin' close, that's why I matched a color close to the inside frame rail. Looks good enough for me! LOL!
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Posted: 22 Jul 2015 at 8:47am |
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Steve, I was more concerned with the creme-white that was on them. I matched the orange really well, like you did. Thanks Tracy
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Posted: 22 Jul 2015 at 10:08am |
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My rear wheels I painted a metallic silver on the rim part with an matching Orange center. Front rims I'll probably do all metallic silver.
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Posted: 22 Jul 2015 at 10:14pm |
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This is the photo color the paint shop come up with in Nason Brand paint dealer. This code is of Nason
CG606 IB CC: D Ful-Thane Urethane SS ALT:5
Allis Chalmers-Camera Formula
Mix Size 64 oz (2-Qt (+))
430-18 Orange 605.0
430-03 H.S.White682.6
435-91 Urethane Binder 1907.3
I put this on my 611LTD and could not see any different. I was very happy with it nice shine
This is the code of Yellow & Beige on the older ones
HI: This is what the paint shop came up with using there paint gun to match the paint
Nason 676791 IE
car: Chrysler
Code:SY4Year 1979
Color: Brt Yellow
General Motors 649574IE
Beige Cream
Code: 8440
Color: Beige
I used this and it came up as the same as Allis code number
Good Luck
Rod in MN
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