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Trimming Tree/Fenceline ??

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    Posted: 03 May 2020 at 5:12pm
To the land lords of row crop fields, who is responsible for trimming the fence rows ?? I've been driving past a "rented" farm for the past 10 years and the "acerage" of tillable ground gets less and less every season due to the over hanging canopy Ouch. I was just curious who is responsible ??
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Not sure.  May depend on the rental agreement.  With the mega farmers bidding up cash rent in this area & landlords feeling no loyalty to long time tenants who have contributed to the value of the farms - tenants may feel reluctant to do any extra work because they may get a termination notice so the mega farmers can rent the farm.  In the past, in this area, the landlord usually picked up the costs of bulldozing, scraper or trackhoe work, etc.   Tenants usually furnish labor, chainsaw work,  & farm equipment to finish up after the heavy equipment leaves.   
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For our farm the Renter once signs on a lease is responsible for managing established fence lines and clean up on fields meaning mowing at least Twice a Season. Saplings are their duty for removal where if get out of hand they lose the lease. Is MY duty to remove downed trees, dead snags and keep the cedars otherwise NOT in fence lines under control.
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big farmers will not get out of the tractor anymore' for anything' you see the same big rocks that been run over year after year with there tools' planter' combine' an all the above. tree limes just farm around them. sad but it's true just like you all say just look around an it's kind of makes ya; sick' the half ass' job some of them had them farms give to them Sad..
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We have to clean and repair the fence lines on all the rental properties. We also have to mow the road sides
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I have this problem. I cut hay off two different neighbor's properties. The fence rows are consuming the fields. I just kept moving in every year to keep the limbs from tearing up my equipment. I might cut a limb or two here or there to get it out of the way, but I'm not cleaning out the fence rows. That would be a big and expensive job, it would take a bull dozer. I did tell one of them if they wanted to get a bull dozer and have it cleaned out, I would disc and sow it. That would give me 30 extra feet all the way around the field to mow. He said he would like to do it but he can't afford it. If he finds someone willing to clean those fence rows for the use of the five acers, I will step aside. Now the problem is downed trees. I will need to do something about that if I keep cutting it. I know he isn't able to remove the trees. It would be nice to find someone willing to cut them up for the wood, but that's impossible. No one wants to do any work nowadays.
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i found out that if i go cut down a big tree in the fence line, the big green farmers will clean it up! it's pay back for some trees i had growing and babying for 20 years next to a field, they dug them out and cut them all up, afraid of scratching their equipment. 
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It should be a shared responsibilty. The farmer has the big equipment to 'clear' the fence rows ,the landowner is there and can  'maintain' them. I KNOW Scott and Ron did that at Ana's 10ac patch  and Scott probably got 2 more 'widths' of planting out of a weeks labour. Ana's north of 70 (shh) but works HARD trying to maintain her 14 acre  property. This month I've used my Kubota to rip up and push back the southern fence row and might have gained another 10-15 feet of 'crop space'. I don't know how that computes into bushels of beans but it's  cleaner. If everyone does a little, the job gets done, and everyone benefits.
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I run about 30 miles of fence in 6 differant locations. I carry a chainsaw all the time and usually cut 3 or 4 trees a week. It took a long time to get caught up. I had 3 miles I used the backhoe or theescevator on. Buldozed the mile ear the shop. Now I cut to length and lay at the edge of the field we go back with the tractor and 30 ft Donahue trailer and pick it up after harvest.we use the wood in the shop heater. It'll take 4' long pieces. I had 9 burn piles burning at one time kept going between them with the loader and pushing them together so it would burn everything. I usually take 2 days to mow the 20 miles of roadside. It's 24 miles between the furthest one. usually cut twice with a 15' woods batwing looks good after going over twice. We have to mow twice a year. And I also cut the abandoned farmsteads for fire control. It doesn't take long to do a yard with the batwing.

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if you cut a branch off any of them trees, don't hafta be anything real big, treat it right away with TORDON and that will ussually kill the whole tree by summer.
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Here's how I approach this, your mileage may vary. I'm not a landlord. On the fence-rows at the farm I cut trees every fall/winter. Went through 10 gallons of chainsaw gas this year! Dad left me with an abundance of trees. I will cut and tordon trees on the neighbors side, especially if they are hanging on my side. They are all farmers and don't seem to mind. I always clean up the mess, think that would be a dick move to drop a tree on someone else's place and just leave it there unless they had done something similar in the past.  
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I have "free" grazing use of the 100 acres directly attached to mine but offered to trim oaks each winter as the place had been cleaned with a dozer twice in 20 years but 100 piles had been left as the owner was told to use them for erosion control.
Tried to convince him to burn the ones in flat areas during the winter but he just wanted to add any limbs to them so I tidy them up with the SC blade on one of the 15's.
Being dry here, most older piles disintegrated when I started pushing them up but saplings growing inside and around the perimeter kept me from mowing close and the fence lines were terrible.
I walk the fences weekly to check for downed limbs as my cattle only come up to the home place to check the solar feeder or hit the liquid feed lick tanks every few nights.
Sure enough, have pretty much wore out two big pole saws in five years and pulled many cedars after rains with the blade as he calls most every week in the winter wanting to come out and work on Saturdays.
With winter brush cutting for maintenance and all the fuel/oil and wear and tear on saws plus hours added to tractors, we had to have a talk.
Told him straight up that the work we were doing on large oaks added up quickly without the brush cutter and fence repairs and I only grazed it from mid to late May into early October when the cows return to my place to graze winter crops no-tilled in September.
Also let him know that his preference for trimming all the oaks in specific areas around his big shop and area where house was never built was for him to make it look better to eventually sell.
"But you get to graze it" was his comment and I simply told him that he should price brush cutting and tree trimming services and get back to me as I felt I was being used to increase the value of his property and my grazing use left it very lopsided.
End result is he agreed that fence lines come first as I need to mow right up against them but I would also selectively trim large oaks in highly visible areas weather permitting during the cutting season.
My place took 2-3 years to get the mesquites under control and his place is being overrun with them because he was to cheap to treat them when small but wanted me to treat his. I did some selectively but finally told him he needed to kick in on Remedy/diesel and I would spray them.
When asked why I left briars around big trees with cutter, had to explain I could only get so close and they needed sprayed buy he is afraid it will kill the old oaks.
Got him to buy his own weed eater with blade attachment and taught him how to use it and he was worn out in 2 hours cutting briars/saplings.
Knew the light had come on when he admitted he never knew how much work it took and I broke it to him that his big Husqvarna(s) weed eater would not last long with a hard saw blade and he needed to give it a rest every couple hours.
Cried foul when it died recently as he did not maintain the the unit so we walked around all of my equipment where i quoted replacement costs and again told him to check contractor prices to clear/maintain land.
He has changed his tune, plus advised I am first in-line when he sells the place due to all the work I have put in it the last five years.
I know the reality is that comment is worth nothing.

He is an attorney and insists on a lease agreement yearly but no details on maintenance outside of fences.
Verbal agreements are only good if both parties understand and i know contract hay outfits that will not leave the cab of large self-propelled discbines, just drive out further into the field as limbs/briars move out from the fence lines.

Best to sit down and talk and if major labor/equipment expenses are to be involved, a guarantee of minimum years of land use should be put into writing.


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Neighbor ended up in court cutting trees on his own fence line, the 40 next to his was bought by some tree hugging city people who were going to build there eventually. He did not cut all the trees but cleaned up the box elder and anything that hung over on his side that would hit the equipment. Good thing the county judge knew the difference between a box elder and an oak and ruled in the farmers favor. Another person was renting a farm from an older lady and it had ditch lines and fence lines between field they he offered to clean up but she did not want them removed, when her grand-nephew took over renting the farm all the fence lines got taken out. A BTO in the area when he rents a farm will come in in winter with an excavator and a few other pieces of equipment and his crew and clean up around a farm and burn brush, some places he get 6 to 12 more productive rows, I don't know how he sets his rental agreements, if he get compensated or what?
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