WC with 45 crank, will it lug?

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   One of our well known allis builders gave me some good advise on building my WC for stock pulling on a budget. Run the flat tops WC pistons with the 45 crank, my sleeves and pistons are in good shape so I am going to try to use them. 45 carb manifold, racing fuel for the 200psi compression. My question is, has anybody had experiance with this build, will all that compression kill the torque? How much hp. do you think that combo will make. Thanks,JM.

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JM Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: United States Points: 379	Post Options Post Reply Quote JM Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: WC with 45 crank, will it lug? Posted: 12 Sep 2009 at 12:50pm
	One of our well known allis builders gave me some good advise on building my WC for stock pulling on a budget. Run the flat tops WC pistons with the 45 crank, my sleeves and pistons are in good shape so I am going to try to use them. 45 carb manifold, racing fuel for the 200psi compression. My question is, has anybody had experiance with this build, will all that compression kill the torque? How much hp. do you think that combo will make. Thanks,JM.

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jpankey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 64	Post Options Post Reply Quote jpankey Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Sep 2009 at 10:04pm
	a 8 to 1 engine dont need racing fuel. AaronSEA runs that setup. thats a basic 175 engine without the cam and a smaller carb.

jpankey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 64	Post Options Post Reply Quote jpankey Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Sep 2009 at 10:09pm
	ps compression never kills torque it helps make torque right up tp 17.1 before it falls off.

DanD Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: WI Points: 856	Post Options Post Reply Quote DanD Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 6:22am
	I do believe that the WC pistons with a WD45 crank gives a lot higher than 8:1 ratio. That extra stroke really puts that piston close to the head.

CTuckerNWIL Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22811	Post Options Post Reply Quote CTuckerNWIL Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 7:32am
	So are the rods the same for both engines and the difference in length is the piston pin center to top of piston?
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TedBuiskerN.IL. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Davis, IL. Points: 1959	Post Options Post Reply Quote TedBuiskerN.IL. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 9:48am
	The compression will depend on which WC pistons he is running. The kerosene pistons will only give him 7.2 to 1 according to the parts book. If he uses the original sleeves and they have some wear, be sure to use a ridge reamer on them or you will have problems from the piston going 1/4 higher in the bore than with the stock crank, and the top ring hitting the ridge left from previous use. Remember with the 45 crank, the piston goes 1/4 inch higher and 1/4 inch lower in the bore than before.

jpankey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 64	Post Options Post Reply Quote jpankey Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 3:00pm
	yes ted brings up another good point about the sleeve ridges . I dont personally see how you could have any benefit from using a sleeve that has been run long enough to have a ridge or for that matter how you could ever use a ridge reamer to get back to the proper clearance for the piston skirts.

AaronSEIA Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Mt Pleasant, IA Points: 2535	Post Options Post Reply Quote AaronSEIA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 3:27pm
	Just to correct my WC, it's 175 pistons on a 4" crank. Never dyno'd it to see what it makes, but on a 6' mower it'll run every bit as good as my WD w/45 guts. AaronSEIA

ac_bowsers Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Northern IL Points: 251	Post Options Post Reply Quote ac_bowsers Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 3:30pm
	We run high comp. 175 pistons in our D17 with D17 crank, with some head work, carb work and electric ignition its a strong runner!! I would recomend 175 pistons

jpankey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 64	Post Options Post Reply Quote jpankey Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 3:46pm
	Aaron I guess I misunderstood you in a prior post about wc pistons vs 175. Sorry for the miss post . 175 pistons would be better than 7.2 . I have never had the actual pin heights of the variace length of piston pin heights in pistons .I just have to try to figure the pin heights from the known compression ratio to figure what the pin height should be then use it to figure new ratio with stroke or rod length changes. when making a pulling tractor compression is right up there with cubic inches.

Brian Jasper co. Ia Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian Jasper co. Ia Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 5:01pm
	Any time you increase stroke, you will have some torque gain too. With the longer stroke you gain some mechanical advantage along with some displacement. In simple terms, it's like putting a piece of pipe (cheater) on the handle of a wrench. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but on a WC head doesn't it have the combustion chamber in the head, where the 45 head it's in the piston? Seems like the 45 head and crank on WC parts makes for near diesel compression ratios.

mlpankey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580	Post Options Post Reply Quote mlpankey Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 5:08pm
	No BRIAN both heads are flat with no combustion chamber in either of the ac heads . 201 0r 226 heads have no combustion chamber . 201 head is 3 inches thick the 226 is four inches thick . yes no replacement for displacement . a motor of low compression of the same cubic inhes will not outperform the same cubic inches with more compression though . The 226 allis proved that from its wd45 version right up to the 175 version.