you were talking about D-17 vs. 460 IH?

My dad has a story about our D17. We were chopping corn for some cousins with our D17, New holland 717 chopper, and one row head.  They did not have a chopper at the time.  They had some low ground near a creek so the corn was 10 feet high, working the hell out of the D17.  One of my uncles had it in 1st gear riding the hand clutch, to not choke the tractor.  Our cousins are die hard red,  they had a 460 at the time that was their big tractor.  They said "get that little tractor off that chopper and put a real tractor on there!!!" so they did.  They put the 460 on the chopper, the 460 had to run 1st gear riding the foot clutch, the whole time.  One load is all they could do, the clutch was red hot and smoking, almost on fire!  Needless to say they put the D17 back on and finished the field.  We never got crap about having an allis again!  Its just an old story my dad tells.  Makes me laugh!

A friend of mine who is now 84 years old, had a new D17 in 1960 and his neighbor also had a new IH460 at the same time. They were filling silo at the neighbors and the customary practice was the silo owner used his tractor on the blower. My friend was getting teased as they were unloading about the "small" stature of his D17 parked alongside the big IH460. My friend said " why don't you let me put my little tractor on the blower for a couple loads and let's see how small it is"..............they never put the 460 back on the blower. Nuff said.

friend of mine bought a old wd45d one time that needed a motor. He put a 262 gas in it out of a combine. he was helping a local church move some durt with a pull type tumble bug when a diehard JD man thought his  JD could do it better not realizing what was under the hood. he had to go and get the deere to show him up. After about 30 minits the deere was hot. so they didn't use it again. 

These stories have made my day.  Good Allis stories, I would like to hear some about plowing all so, not just pto work. Not that I do not believe them, because I do, but I would just like to say  stories make me think of this. There are three sides to a story .  Your side, His side, And the truth. But when telling the truth in a story you will have to sides, your side and the truth. Good Day.

Coming from a 2cyl JD owner, they aint worth a crap on the pto.....they will lug down and pull though

Edited by DonDittmar - 21 Apr 2011 at 8:18am

One time Dad had a D17 on demo and was plowing in the field east of the house. My second cousin came over (riding bikes on Sunday afternoon) for a visit and asked how many bottoms was that little tractor was pulling?  I said 4, not much said after that (he was an Oliver man).

During WW2, my uncle Keith was a machine gunner on a bommer flying over germany.  He was lucky and got all his flights in and was shipped home in 1943.  He went to the IHC dealer and ordered an new H tractor with a mounted picker.  He finally recieved them after WW2 was over. In 1955 he bought a holdover super M and dad bought a new WD45.  Grandpa got sick that fall, dad, uncle Don and uncle Kieth got together to pick his corn.  Uncle Kieth was running the H with the picker, uncle Don was running the super M hauling corn, dad was doing the same with the WD45.  I went along to kick the corn away from the elevator.  They had to haul this corn about 3 miles ouer some real steep hills.  The back of the wagon being pulled by the super M had bright orange paint along it, where dad pushed him up every hill.  I heard uncle Don ask grandpa "what the hell has that dam Chalmers got under the hood, I cant get away from him.  The dam thing pushes me up every hill and will run just as fast as this M going down hill"

ky wonder wrote: back in the late fifties grandad pulled a one row papec chooper behind a wd45, and kept a chain on the back of the chopper to help pull the m up the hills with the loaded wagons when they would not make it up the steep parts

I'll bet the M had a narrow front and the WD45 a wide front.  Not many of the M's had a wide front due to the poor turning angle of the IH wide front while the Allis wide front turned quite short.

in the mid 60s neighbor was very sick, and all the neighbors came in to plow his fields. jD 60s model As, MF 65, IH super M MTA and a 560 SEMI MT4-14. AC WD45 and Dads D17 diesel with a 4 btm slat bottom fully mtd .  They were fueling up at the end of the day and the 560 owner was giving Dad a hard time and said You didnt do to bad for a 4-14 plow. His face really dropped when he found out Dad was pulling 4-16.