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coggonobrien
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Nov 2010 Location: Eastern Iowa Points: 1806 |
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awesome thanks Steve, you don't happen to have pictures of how the wires are routed up to the ignition do you?
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11569 |
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Sorry Dave, haven't been keeping up with your post lately. That do-hicky is a circuit breaker. Its located between the starter sol. and the wiring harness. That is you power in circuit. We have those in stock, but you should be able to pick one up in a Napa store or equiv. locally. They're usually 20 amp. The VR/Rectifier usually mounts down on the lower flywheel shroud. That one is a replacement which is much smaller than the original. I don't know if you need the muffler shield anymore, but there's a guy on e-bay that has a bunch of shields....
Steve Forgot to add- on my 620, the harness just layed down along the inside of the frame rail between the engine and frame rail. Not sure if it was like that originally, but my 620 was pretty much untouched by the PO... Edited by Steve in NJ - 30 Mar 2015 at 8:10am |
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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife
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coggonobrien
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anybody?
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coggonobrien
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ok discovered another hurtle as most of you probably know. front crank support is different (my generator motor does not have holes for mounting the front clutch magnet) will be calling cumin's tomorrow to order the gasket and lip seal.
replaced the transcooler hoses while the engine was out. Got the b&b wiring harness spliced in and needing some direction from folks. I've got it sitting in the harness loop leading to the front rail but unsure how to route it from there. Does it just sitting inside the right between the right side of the engine and the rail? how do the wires route going to the ignition, charging system, starter and electric clutch? also this little do hickey was on the yellow wire of what was left of the old harness. Do I need it? and where do these newer rectifier/regulator get mounted? does anybody have part 46 from this drawing and the stud and want to part with them? http://s161.photobucket.com/user/coggonobrien/media/616/20150320_172347_zpsyd1nq9w7.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3 Can someone show me how the cckb pre-cleaner mounts to the engine shroud and if there is a hole cut in the shroud to let air in. and finally I need a belly pan so if somebody has one they want to sell reasonably let me know or I might just cut one on the laser at work. THanks! David |
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11569 |
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Dave! Glad to see you finally got something to work for ya! Great to hear! Over another hurdle hopefully...
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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife
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coggonobrien
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yeah i think it was a generator engine. had no charging system and a big squirel cage fan mounted to the flywheel
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Tracy Martin TN
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gallatin,TN Points: 10567 |
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Was the engine for a generator? I have one similar to that one. Thanks tracy
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No greater gift than healthy grandkids!
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coggonobrien
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Board member sold me the stator with new rectifier and regulator for 105 shipped
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Tracy Martin TN
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How much was the stator? Where did you find it at? thanks tracy
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No greater gift than healthy grandkids!
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coggonobrien
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finally got a little work done today, swapped over the correct cckb timing cover and the oil pan from the ccka (same casting but not machined to mount some of the extra doo dads) just an fyi if you need onan parts call a cummins dealership, they own them now and the prices will be less than half of what agco charges
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coggonobrien
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new lip seals installed in the 616 timing cover, new gasket, a dab of silicone and it's torqued down. I was surprised to find the governor shaft was different on the cckb engine which was kind of disappointing but there was minimal wear on the 616 so we used it. Now just trying to line up a new flywheel as we discovered a crack in mine.
David
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coggonobrien
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still waiting on governor seal, should be here friday. unfortunately noticed after cleaning that my flywheel is cracked so I will be purchasing a replacement.
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coggonobrien
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gotcha, found the timing cover on my nos is the same casting but not machined to accept the stator. Cleaned up the old ccka timing cover and got a new crank seal and cover gasket. Just waiting on the arrival of the governor seal. Anything special when reinstalling the cover? Or just make sure the governor is oriented the right direction.
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D-17_Dave
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Mocksville NC Points: 990 |
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The left hand discharge mower decks used a smaller diameter cast drive pulley. These decks were used on the 5015 and 5020 tractors. With the lower ram diesel engines the deck had to be geared up to run a at 3600 ram. This was done with the smaller deck pulley. I have one of these smaller pulleys and can check the casting numbers but I'm not at home right now.
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Yea, I can fix that.....
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coggonobrien
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Chuck...the Janitor
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just went to check and ACDelco C45L is what is on my 616. runs great too.
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coggonobrien
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Just order a replacement engine harness from B&B custom circuits.
Does anybody know a Delco spark plug # |
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coggonobrien
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After consulting with Dr allis I'm going to use his method of a light soft brush and lots of air to clean the stator. No chemicals to ensure I do not damage the coating. Thanks for the advice everybody.
Edited by coggonobrien - 09 Jan 2015 at 10:01am |
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macvette
Orange Level Joined: 13 Jun 2011 Location: nekoosa, wi Points: 1656 |
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Steve' comments about flywheel are spot on. A magnet came loose on mine and did considerable damage. Bought a used stator and flywheel from a forum member that was supposed to be good. Have also bought a new Onan regulator and rectifier and have about $450.00 stuck in job and doesn't charge. So disgusted after pulling engine twice looking for reason that I put back together last summer and gave up.
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11569 |
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Dave,
I cleaned mine with Brakekleen and a new toothbrush. Got in the nooks n' crannys with the toothbrush, and washed it all out with the straw that comes with the Brakekleen. Came out like new. Then I cleaned the stator tips with a scotchbrite pad to get any corrosion or years of crap off of em'. Inspect the Magnets in the flywheel also to make sure they're still intact. I cleaned the flywheel all out to. Went through a can of Brakekleen between the two pieces... |
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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife
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coggonobrien
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Thanks guys.
Steve what's the proper way to clean the stator |
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11569 |
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Gently take the 4 screws out that hold it to the block. That's how I removed mine to clean all the grass and crap out of the stator. Looks like that one has the same issues. Needs a good cleanup. Mine came right off Dave. I didn't have any problem with it. Inspect the stator wires for breaks or rub-thoughs. The wires on mine had a couple nicked spots. Its all repaired and ready to reinstall now.
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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife
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Roach
Silver Level Joined: 30 Jan 2013 Location: Wheeler, IL Points: 255 |
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David, the pulley looks like the center main pulley on the mower deck of my 720. When I bought mine it had another pulley with it just like this one but a lot smaller in diameter. Don't know if they had different sizes for different mower speeds or not but not figured out anything else.
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1937 WC, 1948 G,1954 CA,1956 WD45, 1967 D17, 1937 M crawler, 1963 D-19, 1966 190XT, 1967 D-15, 1948 HG42 Cletrac, 1955 G456 Terra Trac, CAT 10 1928 and CAT 22 1938
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i plan on swapping the ring gear over to the flywheel from the donor 616 engine assuming they are the same size since the teal engine is nos
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no updates yet, just rounding up some parts for the engine install. Did get new blades, bearings, cups, and seals for the deck for christmas so I will be dismanteling that and blasting the shell, repairing some minor rust and reassembling. should hopefully start on the motor Wednesday.
David
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