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CTuckerNWIL
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22810 |
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Marty, the only SPEED around my shop is when the irritable bowel kicks in and I GOTTA go Hope that don't leave a lasting visualization for too many.
The uptown speed shop I've heard of deals in Methamphetamine.
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Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
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wi50
Orange Level Joined: 24 Sep 2010 Location: weegieland Points: 1010 |
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I've got a question for Butch, Ken, Charlie, or anyone who wishes to chime in. What is a "speed shop" in your area? Here it's a shop where parts are built, some are bought, some are built from nothing but an idea. Someone machines and massages them togather to have success getting down or around a track further or much faster.
This question is not for mlpankey though, he's already answered it with his definition of a "speed shop", being nothing more than a garage where you take pictures of engines built by others, taken apart and posted on the internet, his pulling results I've seen here and heard from others limet him to the 4mph class which isn't verry "fast" in my book, nor would I consider placeing so far behind the leaders being verry competitive....at lest not for a "speed shop" owner.
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"see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet"
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blue924.9
Orange Level Joined: 22 Mar 2013 Location: George Iowa Points: 1082 |
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ohhhhh pankey's gettin called out, will he look and accept or will he look and try to scheme something up
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wi50
Orange Level Joined: 24 Sep 2010 Location: weegieland Points: 1010 |
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LMAO.
I was hopeing pank would keep up with Rod's questions. Giveing up is safer than keeping up, both in pulling and the type of "pulling" happening here.
But before you ask spankey, pankey, pinkey, plankey or whatever you're going by this week, while Ken is raceing, I'll be pulling. That's right, I'm publicaly inviting you to come to Tomah Wi. for a NTPA Grand National event. It's free to get into the pits just in case you're still saveing your money for cam cores. Being I own a tractor and am competeing at such an event (weather permitting) I get several passes to get through the gate and I'm offering one of them to you. You'll save $160 for the weekend. But it gets even better, I'd give you a "hot pass" meaning a pass to get into the stageing area and on the track.
I figure you can rub elbows with others there and tell everyone on the track and in the stageing area how counterweighted cranks are no good, and an engine will last longer without one, billet rods are junk and how you can draw air through a carbuerator and past an intake valve faster than the speed of sound. Should be a great time, carefull though some of those guys might take you serious and piss down your throat.
My seed company even gave me some free tickets, lots of passes to the hospitality tent, reserved seating....you can drink all the free beer you want and wander around the stands looking for other internet builders.
Unless of course Ken has a better offer for you, I'm sure you'll find other spectators with similar intrests and no experience at either event. You and the others will have a lot in common, you "let on a lot more than you know".
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"see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet"
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SF 49ers Fan
Silver Level Joined: 18 Jun 2013 Location: Iron Hills ME Points: 147 |
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Funny thing.
I'm going to be pulling it tonight also.
Pulled pork for supper.
XXXOOO's
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SF 49ers Fan
Silver Level Joined: 18 Jun 2013 Location: Iron Hills ME Points: 147 |
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I came up with a title for this Miniseries.
The Pulling It Show
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See you later, I have to check on my picnic in the smoker.
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Ken(MI)
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Lansing, MI Points: 618 |
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I think his volumetric oil coagulator failed in tension thus causing a rapid evacuation of the engine block.
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Butch(OH)
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Lucerne Ohio Points: 3831 |
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Hey Ken! long time no speaky.
Jr. Ernhardt must have had some of them bottom removal pistons last week a MI eh? I heard he launched one out the bottom kinda violently?
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Ken(MI)
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Lansing, MI Points: 618 |
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Leave it to Butch, that was supposed to be a top secret piston removal trick from Tennesee, how did you sneak a camera in there when we were supposed to be learning from the Master??? BTW, I'll be at RoadAmerica this weekend, look me up Pank, I'll be at the top of the hill between the concession stand and Pit Lane, truck will say Derhaag Motorsports on the side. You accused me of never letting you know where I was racing unless it was at Homestead, so this gives you another chance to educate me and show me your stuff at work in NASCAR.
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THE-MAN
Silver Level Joined: 11 Mar 2013 Location: By the lake Points: 156 |
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Oh Lord that was funny. Thx Charlie! I laughed out loud! Butch, you have shown us the TN piston removal method. Saves work by keeping the head bolted on, and removing the guts with kept neatly in the oil pan!
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Butch(OH)
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Lucerne Ohio Points: 3831 |
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Daggone it Charlie why did ya have to go and post that? So I'd have to violate my self imposed ban on heckling Plnko on here?? So you know I hadda wipe coffee and spit off my puter screen,, AGAIN. Oh and as for taking them pistons out the bottom I am purdy certain Plnky can easily do it on his builds. Photos speak louder than words,,, |
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SF 49ers Fan
Silver Level Joined: 18 Jun 2013 Location: Iron Hills ME Points: 147 |
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Is this going to be a new Miniseries?
I just can't come up with a title for it.
Everything I have tried keeps coming up
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CTuckerNWIL
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22810 |
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Guess you've NEVER seen anyone win a tractor pull? |
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Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
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Rod B
Orange Level Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Location: Peoria Points: 415 |
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Even a Shipman motor running 15 minutes between cooling is 5x longer than any pankey moter ever lasted total time ran.
You been quiet spankey since I asked to see pics of pistons taken out through the bottom. Cat got your tounge, caught in another lie? Don't lie again saying it's togather and running unless you can say where it will be running. Edited by Rod B - 18 Jun 2013 at 12:18am |
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SteveM C/IL
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8035 |
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thee hardblock engine will likely not run more that 15 mins with no cooling. I suspect less.Not meant to "use",just pull.
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blue924.9
Orange Level Joined: 22 Mar 2013 Location: George Iowa Points: 1082 |
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also on another note, is this motor hardblocked or anything like that? can you still use it in the field and have it live in the field working all day or is this a pull only motor?
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blue924.9
Orange Level Joined: 22 Mar 2013 Location: George Iowa Points: 1082 |
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hey, i like my small little motor, dang right i like short stroke and short bore with long(er) rods its cuase i pull farm stock meaning i have to use it on the farm, so in other words this motor has to live through running all day on the auger. its also cause i pull 1st gear only so i only need enough power for first, to much and it just hurts me. also as far as i know, and i may be wrong though is that schedule 80 is a plastic pipe used for plumbing fixtures like stools and sewer lines, not something used for a motor, but again i could be wrong
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BKarpel
Bronze Level Joined: 27 Apr 2012 Location: Collinsville IL Points: 108 |
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The studs cant be removed because hard block is holding the bottom of the block together. The all thread studs do not stretch. Its is not that hard to put pistion in with the long studs. Shipman builds motors a litte different but they last. When you go that big there is not alot of metal left in the block, so things have to changed.
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Rod B
Orange Level Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Location: Peoria Points: 415 |
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I bet you can't post any pictures of you takeing the pistons out the bottom. When the bores get offset they get closer to the main webbing. The main webbing is also thicker to the sides than it is in the center.
Your last posts indicate a number of things we've known for a long time. You have to buy your engines to try and pay to copy someone elses work. You did say you need to see it for yourself and that you pay to learn. A case of monkey see, monkey do. But in your case it's monkey see, monkey try, monkey can't do, engine go boom.
Others offer up the free advice on things they have thought out for themselves and done on their own and you have to take pictures of others work and post trying to pass as your own untill you get busted.
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mlpankey
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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Brandon tell the man how many years the karpells ran to quote the mans shipmans ignorance. Hard to call someone ignorant when you can't do something they have already done even when your seeing their work in pictorial form. I have always been one if i saw it done could repeat it.
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mlpankey
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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well that's funny i took a couple of the slugs out the bottom. I could see if you stayed center of the original bores how web could get in the way but Shipmans block moved the bores and studs. Tarbills engine is bored on center and you can see where on his webbing is in the way. Its amazing that i pay to learn and offer it up free and some on here still like rod and the Wisconsin cheerleaders can't grasp it. Lou the sleeves are interference fit meaning they are .002 larger than the bore on average . Average meaning sleeve stock measured three places will measure three different measurements and have to be averaged. Unless the od was turned as the 4.980 sleeve pictured was by me . The inside bore will be averaged as well when bored cause sleeve will crush in and isn't perfectly round . This separates the ones who do from the ones who don't.
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Rod B
Orange Level Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Location: Peoria Points: 415 |
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Lou, when the slugs get big they will not clear the webbing. Spankster is showing his lack of experience saying he'd put them in from the bottom. The sleeves would have to be to short to have any stroke if he could put the pistons in the bottom. Not much different then sched 80 all-thread or cast iron forging.
Nice pictures of Tarbills old motor on ytmag there pank. Trying to pass off boughten engine as one you built by not giveing credit where credit is due. lil sweeper should read this forum where wi50 had to show you how to get rods to clear on long strokes. |
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THE-MAN
Silver Level Joined: 11 Mar 2013 Location: By the lake Points: 156 |
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Well bkarpel, the only person i know ignorant enough to install non removable studs, AND use all thread would probably be Shipman. Is that who did that block?? We know it wasn't pankey. 4.75 is not undo-able. My 4.63 motor has as large a counterbore as that with a nice strong sleeve holding it together. Just because you can does not mean you should. Do i think you could get way stupid on the structural integrity of a block and wedge a big bore in, sure. Do i think it's gonna end up I'n the scrap pile? Eventually, sooner rather than later. Especially with that monkey and football show you got there.
The only thing that will kinda help that engine live is that it is probably all hard block. That's probably why the sleeves are still In it and the studs are not removable. you are going to bore .206 out of it and push ANOTHER sleeve In a sleeve In hardblock. That's what it looks like to me. |
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LouSWPA
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Clinton, Pa Points: 24033 |
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I'm not interested in being part of the fray, but I do have two questions on this.....please don't use this to further the argument.
My very limited experience in rebuilding WD/45's is that the sleeves just slip right in. why the need for an installing tool? and I didn't think it possible to install the pistons from the bottom, especially big ones, doesn't the webbing get in the way?
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I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
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Ihateillinoisnazis
Orange Level Joined: 15 Jan 2013 Location: By The Lake Points: 273 |
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Wow, just read the schedule 80 grade 8 pipe... I used to do a lot of pipe work and NEVER heard that one. This like the forged cast rods you invented a few months ago? Hey, I'm on a boat right now, we trollin? |
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Ihateillinoisnazis
Orange Level Joined: 15 Jan 2013 Location: By The Lake Points: 273 |
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How do you put the pistons in from the bottom? Kinda hard with that setup...
Order pipe for the plant, take some home. Typical liberal, you slack jawed hillbilly. |
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mlpankey
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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yeap schedule 80 is pipe grade 8 all thread . been ordering pipe for the nuke plant and all thread for hangers while typing . Sometimes its hard to multi task . I am in the shop and not in the field so i can assists sweeper in his large displacement build without crops rotting .
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wi50
Orange Level Joined: 24 Sep 2010 Location: weegieland Points: 1010 |
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I hate to burst your bubble but pipe is schedule 40, 80, 10 etc. All thread rod as in other hardware is rated by GRADE . Another thing an engine builder would know. I realize you aren't trying to get to the moon and back nor bright enough to build you anything to make it 320 feet down the track but at least getting to the track now and then would do a few of you fellas some good. I just felt the need to save this post for few to enjoy. I wonder what the wall thickness of schedule 80 all thread would be? i |
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"see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet"
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mlpankey
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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brandon none of the cheerleading rods , the man, or wi know that . They say a 4 3/4 bore is impossible . Just showing pictures of a large sleeve block and only .100 difference in od from the od of sleeves I been using since 2010 blows them away. They are into little motors small bores short strokes and long rods. well all thread can be had in schedule 80 and since all the all thread in the block is larger in diameter than factory studs it holds the fire rings pretty well. no if the ring compressor was a issue i would put the pistons /rods in from the bottom .
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cranky
Orange Level Joined: 08 Jan 2012 Location: easton md Points: 205 |
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I am curious of the torque specs one would use to install cylinder head.i bet those "all-thread" studs just keep on stretching till they break.the material used in those threaded rods is of the poorest quality,close to re-bar.it looks like the "studs" are clearenced near the deck,is that to clear the ring compressor during assm?
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