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DrAllis 
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 Posted: 28 Nov 2020 at 7:51pm |
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8000 series had an adjustable stop on the 3-point lever for depth and leave the TBoost lever SHUT OFF !! Same goes for the 7000 tractor.
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victoryallis
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Posted: 28 Nov 2020 at 7:39pm |
 LionelinKY wrote:
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Best experience I ever had with TB is my 8030 a previous owner bypassed it. Worst idea ever on a Allis product. |
LOL!!!!!!!!!. Yeah, who knows what those silly engineers must have been thinking to come up with this silly draft control system that allowed tractors like the WD45 to keep up with or even outwork other machines that weighed significantly more and/or also were running much larger CID engines and also do so more economically at the same time. Geez, thank goodness that all the other manufacturers didn't line up and chomp at the bit so to speak to copy this idea of load sensing hydraulics ASAP and carry it right up into present day machines. What a nightmare that would have been!!!LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Silly me for thinking it would be nice to have full range of my lift arms with the use of only one lever. What a crazy idea to have an implement stay at the depth I want it at until I make a adjustment. Crazy idea to expect the person behind the wheel to be competent enough to raise or lower the implement. You know I’m out with the disc or soil saver or finisher and tractor lugs or slows down hmmm what do I do ohh that’s right raise it up a touch then once that tough spots passes then lower it. Crazy concepts. Ohh I love the days of planting beans with a 2 point hitch ground driven planter with no monitor behind the 7000 and once the beans come up and see a skip hmm why the cussed TB felt the need to raise the arms grrrrrr
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DrAllis
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Posted: 28 Nov 2020 at 7:35pm |
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But, with some shims removed to put more tension on the coil spring you won't have that trouble. Sounds like the TBoost was turned on too much causing you the trouble.
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IBWD MIke
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Posted: 28 Nov 2020 at 7:28pm |
DrAllis wrote:
When the going is that tough, front end weights are needed so the Traction Booster can work effectively. You can't have the front end come up when the plows weight is to be transferred to the rear wheels. |
It has four stack weights on it now!!
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Posted: 28 Nov 2020 at 9:56am |
Hey -- I think I found a video of the traction booster setting in an old promo video!
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The discussion on using the plow weight to gain traction starts at 5:10 in the video... He sets the hydraulic lever to a "thumb" up from the bottom at 5:39 in the video to "engage" it... Here's some video of me plowing using the TB on my '53 WD. It pulled me thru some tough spots, especially that last run at the end of the video. Set it about a "thumb" up on the lever and away we go.
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As far as I can tell, it is a great feature. Just took me awhile to get the hang of it, especially since I don't have a gauge.
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Brian G. NY
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Posted: 28 Nov 2020 at 9:36am |
I bet the TB sold a whole bunch of WD-45s! Imagine when the dealer came out to the farm with a properly set up TB and started demonstrating how that WD-45 could out plow all those bigger tractors. The look on those farmers' faces must have been priceless!
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DougG
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Posted: 28 Nov 2020 at 8:21am |
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Uncles One Seventy had this working good when plowing - best idea Ac had over the compition, worked real slick
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DrAllis
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Posted: 28 Nov 2020 at 5:59am |
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When the going is that tough, front end weights are needed so the Traction Booster can work effectively. You can't have the front end come up when the plows weight is to be transferred to the rear wheels.
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Posted: 28 Nov 2020 at 5:17am |
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TB's are the cat meow when done right. The 220 was not as good as the 45 but did improve as HP was increased.That sudden clay patch would snuff it before the booster could get it lifted. Haven't had a reason to use it on the 8070. As Doc says you need to tighten up the Big spring. Shouldn't really be able to activate it with lever down.After I put 4-16's behind the 45 it wouldn't stay in the ground until I removed 2 shims per side.
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Steve/Doc, I'll have a look at this. I have an NOS bell/latch I want to install on this tractor someday.
That day is the only time I've had the booster engage with the lever down. That dirt was TOUGH! Front wheels were in the air a lot.
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Posted: 28 Nov 2020 at 1:41am |
victoryallis wrote:
Best experience I ever had with TB is my 8030 a previous owner bypassed it. Worst idea ever on a Allis product. |
LOL!!!!!!!!!. Yeah, who knows what those silly engineers must have been thinking to come up with this silly draft control system that allowed tractors like the WD45 to keep up with or even outwork other machines that weighed significantly more and/or also were running much larger CID engines and also do so more economically at the same time. Geez, thank goodness that all the other manufacturers didn't line up and chomp at the bit so to speak to copy this idea of load sensing hydraulics ASAP and carry it right up into present day machines. What a nightmare that would have been!!!LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 28 Nov 2020 at 1:09am |
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I don't have a gauge on my WD but I found that lifting the lever about 1/8 makes it engage. I seem to recall seeing an old promotional video that this was the mechanism to engage it, anyway?
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 27 Nov 2020 at 10:57pm |
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TB's are the cat meow when done right. The 220 was not as good as the 45 but did improve as HP was increased.That sudden clay patch would snuff it before the booster could get it lifted. Haven't had a reason to use it on the 8070. As Doc says you need to tighten up the Big spring. Shouldn't really be able to activate it with lever down.After I put 4-16's behind the 45 it wouldn't stay in the ground until I removed 2 shims per side.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 27 Nov 2020 at 8:07pm |
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The Traction Booster system has to be adjusted properly to work properly. Too bad that wasn't the case on your tractor. They do work well when set-up correctly by the selling/servicing Dealer.
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Posted: 27 Nov 2020 at 8:01pm |
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Best experience I ever had with TB is my 8030 a previous owner bypassed it. Worst idea ever on a Allis product.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 27 Nov 2020 at 7:45pm |
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There are shims to remove on the coil spring retainer to tighten it up a little. This will force you to move the lever up from the bottom a little to turn on the TBoost system. You wouldn't think after 70 years the spring wouldn't have flattened out, but it does.
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Posted: 27 Nov 2020 at 7:22pm |
Had opportunity this fall to spend a few hours on the 45's. Trying to learn the subtleties of the TB system. Got things working pretty good while plowing. Then while running the narrow front with the sub-soiler I noticed that the 'plow' setting would lift the soiler up. Had to run almost all the way down on the quadrant, not quite but close. Not as many square inchs I guess. Went as far as taking the working gauge off the CA and putting it on the 45 so I could study whats happening.
Last plow day I attended I didn't even have to 'engage' the traction booster! Leave the lever all the way down and it would still transfer weight, at least according to the gauge. This kind of blew my mind.
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