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    Posted: 09 Dec 2021 at 2:09pm
Dave, I remember the D-series part of the discussion.

Good luck with the 3-14's. My two best plows for the 45's are both 3-16's, feel at a bit of a disadvantage when guys show up with a 706 or a JD G and 3-14's. I have a model 63 3-14's in the shed, may dig it out along with the 62 2-14's next spring. Think they both have pretty good wear parts on them and the adjustments are free.
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Ha! See Dr Allis's Oct 24, 2021 posts in this thread. Start with the one at 6:01pm. The differences I'm recalling were between the D series and the CA-WD-WD45 series, not the CA vs WD45. Sorry to send you on a useless chase!

I'm working on rehabbing a 3-14 plow for my WD45, mostly because I'd like to hear that machine really digging in to do some work. Smile Not much call for that around my 2.7 acres in MA! Fortunately I have a neighbor who is still farming - he lets me bring my tractors over to his place to try them out.

I envy you all out in the midwest where land is flat and not stuffed with rocks - a plow day in New England is a mighty rare event.
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Dave, you made me dig out the op. manual. It reads like you engage it just like a WD/45. I don't remember that thread you mention. Looking forward to plowing with this thing! Some of the plow-days I go to are a ways away, be nice to have a tractor/plow that is a little lighter than the 45! Though I really love plowing with that thing!
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Mike - read your "CAx2" thread. Are you saying that the TB gauge on the "new" CA isn't working? Seems to me that I recently read a thread on here that described differences in the TB system in the CA vs WD45, mostly to do with set up and triggering it....but maybe I'm making that up.
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The next chapter in this story just came home Saturday. Learning to use the traction booster with the CA shouldn't be too hard. Will have to get the book out, I assume it is similar to how WD's work. It would be nice to have a set of engine side weights for it but I'm not holding my breathe! Have lots of 1/2X4" flat stock, may make some brackets to hang some weights on using the side weight mounting holes. Also would like to have a working gauge.
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For best Traction Booster results, there must be enough front end weight to keep the nose down, so the rear tires can fully benefit from the weight transfer.
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Must be nice to have uniform soils. 27 acre field next to grandpa's garden ran from sand at the bottom to black bottom to blue clay to red clay to wind blown loam at the top of the hill. Filled left front tire so as the traction booster worked the front furrow tire would ride up in the air and we could set the traction booster lighter or deeper to use "all the tractor" When set right the furrow tire would just touch the dirt with the ribs and the plow would work as deep as the tractor would work.
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Another update, kind-of. After running the sub-soiler with the nf 45 I decided to take a shim out of it. I put it in the Wide front as I think I took out a bit much last year, time will tell. Probably own't get a chance to test it out until next year. I just keep trying to fine-tune things.
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Got out to another plow-day Saturday. As discussed in this thread; https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/need-a-part-p-n-wd45_topic184299.html
I plowed with the wide front 45 having the spring installed. Could not detect any difference in performance, good or bad. Traction Booster still did it's job nicely.
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WD/WD45 had the front of the cultivator drop first and then when you pulled the lift/lower lever clear down, the lift arms dropped the scratcher. D-series didn't have it that way.
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Did the D series have a delayed lift/drop from the rear hydraulic remote that could be timed from the lift arms? I always thought that to be pretty slick engineering of the 50’s.
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D-14-15-17-19 all the same operation with a separate short notched tooth lever on the steering column. CA-WD-WD45's all had to have the hydraulic pump configured (screws A-B-C and D) for Traction Booster operation and used the one and only Lift-Lower lever to make the TBoost system function.
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Thank's Doc. Can you refresh my memory on how the TB was actuated  on the WD ??
I was only 7 when I ran the WD, did the '14,15's have the same quadrant as the '17's ??


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We ran a WD and a series 2 D17. The '17 had a "graduated" lever UNDER the main hydraulic lever Embarrassed . Was there a separate lever for TB on the WD series ??
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Years ago when we were kids we would ride our bike around and visit the neighbor kids.  One day Dad was plowing with a D-17 demonstrator.  The neighbor kid (Oliver family) came over and asked me how big a plow is behind that little tractor, when I said 4 bottoms he did not have anything to say.
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I've only ran one D-17 pre-series 4 using the Traction Booster system, while pulling a fully mounted 4 x 14's 73 series plow. The D-17 series 3 was by far superior to any WD45 I've run. For one thing, with the TBoost lever pre-set, every time you made a turn on the headland and dropped the plow in the ground, there was no fiddling around getting it set to work. It was ready to go to work as soon as the load hit it. The ability to control the drop rate while using the TBoost is also a huge plus in performance over the WD-45.
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Originally posted by allisbred allisbred wrote:

I always thought the TB on the 45’s are one of its best features. I may be wrong here, but also thought it worked a little better than on the D series. Seemed like on the 19, it was never fast enough when hitting a wet spot.


That may well be. WD45 is the only one I have experience with. Sold my D-17 so I can't try that out. If I ever get the belly mower off the CA I hope to try it with a 62 plow I have in the waiting.

Edit; I could try that Oliver plow on the 185, just need more plow-days!


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I always thought the TB on the 45’s are one of its best features. I may be wrong here, but also thought it worked a little better than on the D series. Seemed like on the 19, it was never fast enough when hitting a wet spot.
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Resurrecting this old thread now that I've had a chance to do some plowing.

As stated in a previous post, I removed two shims. This seems to have cured the problem. Depending on conditions the 'setting' varies a bit. Watching the gauge lets you really dial the setting in.

I always plow in second gear as that's about the right speed. Tried third yesterday, pulled it fine but just don't need to go that fast! With the 16.9X28's she moves right along in second anyway.

The ground I've been in this fall seems a little easier than last year. Maybe due to timely rain? I have been using the 73 slat bottom vs the 63 model I used last year. Really like the 73 but is HEAVY for the 45. Thinking I may remove the stack weights and try 5 or 6 hundred pound suitcase weights!

There is another plow-day next Saturday, actually three I think. The one is close enough I'm going to drive the 756 with semi-mount Oliver to that one. That's if it is dry enough. We'll see how the 'Draft control' on the Red machine compares to the 'Traction Booster'. Should probably try to limber it up a bit as I havn't used it yet and this poor old girl sat outside with a stuck engine for years before I bought it.
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They eventually did, as did IH and all the others. As soon as patent rights ran out, everyone had some form of a weight transfer system, be it hydraulic or like in IH's early try, a mechanical hitch that lifted the plow the harder it pulled.
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You know, it's interesting that JD didn't steal this idea too.  They stole so many others.
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Originally posted by IBWD MIke IBWD MIke wrote:

It has four stack weights on it now!!

The 3-16 SC plow that Dad had for this made her work. I only plowed up his garden spot once the first time at his new house in town. She seemed to hold her own pretty good when plowing though I did feel the front get a little light at the end of the furrow when I first hit the lever to raise the plow up. The XT was the main plow tractor by the time I was old enough to do so thus I never got any field experience plowing with the WD45 myself. Dad did though with this and the WD which I also still have. He always said that the 45 was nicer to plow with obviously because of her extra power allowing her to run a gear faster even if it meant the front getting a little light whenever she hit a good patch of clay. That being said, he also always gave kudos to the old narrow front WD which would pull that same plow, albeit a gear lower, but he never had as many issues with her front end coming up. The WD has no front stack weights at all but does have a pair of front wheel weights the same as is shown here on the 45.
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Originally posted by CTuckerNWIL CTuckerNWIL wrote:

Originally posted by garden_guy garden_guy wrote:

I don't have a gauge on my WD but I found that lifting the lever about 1/8 makes it engage. I seem to recall seeing an old promotional video that this was the mechanism to engage it, anyway?

 The WD's and early CA's never had a gauge. TB works fine without it if it's set right.

The gauge is interesting to watch in the field. It did help me dial in the No. 4 sub-soiler. Took the working one off my CA where all it ever showed was up or down.
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Originally posted by garden_guy garden_guy wrote:

I don't have a gauge on my WD but I found that lifting the lever about 1/8 makes it engage. I seem to recall seeing an old promotional video that this was the mechanism to engage it, anyway?

 The WD's and early CA's never had a gauge. TB works fine without it if it's set right.
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Originally posted by JW in MO JW in MO wrote:

Garden_guy, at the 3:35 mark in that video I learned what that slot was really for on the back step.  I'd heard many different things but never seen one used.

 That "slot" was there to hook a PTO guard up to. It just came in handy when someone decided it could be used for something else.Wink
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Today I had a look at the situation. There were six shims in there. Not sure how many they came with. Anyway, shims are 1/16" apiece. Took out two. Now I just need a chance to get the plow in the ground and see how things work.

Thanks for all the help, Mike.
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Originally posted by JW in MO JW in MO wrote:

Garden_guy, at the 3:35 mark in that video I learned what that slot was really for on the back step.  I'd heard many different things but never seen one used.


Indeed. I don't know that I've ever seen that hook in person.
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100 hundred series and d17 series 4 were the same to i think. were you set max depth, traction booster, and there is one lever that raises and lowers the three point 
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Garden_guy, at the 3:35 mark in that video I learned what that slot was really for on the back step.  I'd heard many different things but never seen one used.
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