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Kansas99
Orange Level Access Joined: 26 Feb 2015 Location: W Kansas Points: 4810 |
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Ray, I'm just amazed they will hang them that long. Around here it's like pulling teeth to get them to hang them for a month. I just refuse to except anything less than 21 days. I know the meat inspectors do stamp them here and I think there is a time limit then, or so they have claimed. Big packers run them in the cooler and then have misters to make sure they don't get any shrinkage and sell a little water weight to while there at it. I don't believe they every hang for more than a few days.
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Ray54
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The big time meat processes don't take time to aging beef this day and age,look at how much interest on the money they have tied up in inventory.
With the grass fed beef and eat local yuppy stuff,we have local shop with all new facility. They are always busy and you have to make arrangements ahead of time. Things happen at there time. So a few years ago had one of the Oh crap mounts. That beef was killed over a month ago and they have not called. Was 40+ days and they showed me my sides still hanging in good shape. New cooler and they control humidity much closer than the old days. Yes it was mine as it was well finished not like all the local grass fed stuff. One of the ways they try to make grass fed better eating by ageing it up to 60 days. My son likes to butcher and with wild hogs being free he experiments with lots of stuff. And every so often things get lost in the freezer. But having had home vacuum packed and frozen meat that was still very good at 2+ years in the freezer. So I highly recommend heavy duty plastic vacuum packing bags for any home butchering.
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Kansas99
Orange Level Access Joined: 26 Feb 2015 Location: W Kansas Points: 4810 |
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West of Rush Center, I'm kinda what you call in the suburbs.
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chaskaduo
Orange Level Joined: 26 Nov 2016 Location: Twin Cities Points: 5203 |
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We always had 4 or five fridgerators we'd plug in and use for pre cooling and holding, while daily adding from them to the 2 freezers. Never pack a bunch of meat on top of each other or else they cool to slow and can spoil. The faster the freeze the smaller the ice crystals formed in the meat. The smaller the ice crystals the less cell rupturing. Long cold slow thaw helps to hold the moisture in the meat also. I only have 2 fridges and a freezer now a days for Ma and I. We could always find fridges free for the hauling that worked just fine, people just remodeling etc.
Hope that info helps you Jeff.
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Tbone95
Orange Level Access Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11422 |
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500 pounds of net meat in the package would be about right. . . But, 150# of pork in a package would be a lot....hmmm...
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Tbone95
Orange Level Access Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11422 |
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Steers 4-500 pounds???? That's a 5 month old calf? |
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festus51
Orange Level Access Joined: 26 Mar 2017 Location: Osage City, KS Points: 1639 |
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well KS 99 I did shoot this one through the head And I did not push her when I shot her in the head. I have eaten cattle that have been excited when killed. They are pretty tough eating. What city are you close to? If you don't mind me asking?
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Kansas99
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Festus, yes years ago I took one to a little butcher shop day ahead and they put her in a pen big enough for a fat hog maybe, and the meat was definitely dark, tasted fine but you would have thought it was a 14 year old cow by looking at it. I figured she got nervous and wound up in that little pen the day before they butcher her and that's why I always have thought that's what causes a dark cutter but maybe not. I know over the years hanging pens of cattle I've had dark cutters from time to time and man they ding the heck out of you.
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Kansas99
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I sure would like to know what causes those dark cutters, when you hang them the packers knock the hell out of you for them. Feedlot managers always claim there are more when its hot out, but I always figured it was caused from getting worked up, but I still have no idea.
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festus51
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Kansas 99 you ever have one like that?
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festus51
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No not really Shot her in the head and cut the throat fast and had her gutted fast.
I hope to heck I never see an other one like her!!
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Kansas99
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Festus, was she a dark cutter?
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festus51
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A few years ago I turned calves out to pasture. One heifer was a bit skittish , I thought well she will tame down getting grain every day. Well that fall when it is time to take them off pasture she will not load and hits a 6' tall fence 3 times and finally breaks it down. Well for Thanksgiving that year I told son -in law to bring his knives. The closest I could get the that heifer was 75 yards and that is where she dropped. Almost as good as deer hunting.
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Thad in AR.
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Arkansas Points: 9290 |
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I’ve never butchered beef but my parents did when I was very young. I can still remember the sides of beef and hogs hanging in the shop. I have butchered my fair share of deer, turkey and chickens n such.
We use a vacuum sealer with heavy freezer vacuum bags. We recently bought a half beef from a friend in Nebraska. Jenny will pick it up in June. |
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FREEDGUY
Orange Level Access Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5391 |
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Thanks for the reply, I've never been around "home" butchering .
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DMiller
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Meat Cutters usually 'Hang' a beef or hog in a cooler to around 38-40 degrees for a few days to a week or more. Partly as to timing, partly due to allowing the carcass to fully cool and partly to let the meat coalesce some where easier to cut up, and NO most people have deep freezers that are at 0-10F and will not rapid hard freeze meat as the butcher shops sitting at minus 20-30F. Is also an art to wrapping and the paper used to preclude Freezer Burn, cellophane will end up freezer burnt long before plasticized or wax coated Butcher Paper. Great Aunt's farm and family used Brown Store sheet paper on rolls, double wrapped to soak up blood and the slow freezer burn, wrapped as well as any Christmas Present.
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FREEDGUY
Orange Level Access Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5391 |
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To those that butcher at home, how many freezers do you have and can they freeze the meat as fast as the freezers at a local shop ? Just curios, seems like the local shop can "chill" a lot of meat down in a hurry . My problem with going in on a 1/4 of anything is a lack of "home" freezer space .
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DIESEL
Silver Level Joined: 26 Aug 2013 Location: Sandhills Points: 259 |
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It's been 25 years since I've butchered beef, I still remember how. There's a few things in life I said I'd pay for when I left home and butchering is one of them. Lol
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DMiller
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Been well over forty since I watch a Slaughter at work. Entire family got together in Greenville IL, steer calves and small hogs were in pens and fed out, hogs around 150#, steers close to 4-500#, Hogs had throats slit will tied down blood collected for blood sausage, the calfs were head shot with a old 38 special revolver then gutted. Steers were hung to bleed down, hogs once bled out and dead scalded then scraped then hided then fat layers cut away for rendering. Split them along the back bone with a large saw and taken to the house garage where two well trained men and a woman cut them up for packaging. Steers were later hided and split, the halves allowed to hang wrapped in cheesecloth for a few days to a week and then cut up, something about softening the leaders and tendons. Same men and woman cut those up. Sausage making and other doings happened at the same time, casings were culled from the carcass gut piles, cleaned then cleaned again and air dried somewhat then the sausage recipes were mixed and ground then packed and packaged. Usually three to four hogs and two steers fed the family over a winter along with the old hens and roosters. Was a full three to five days work to handle them all and have it split up for the family freezers. Hams, hocks and bacons went in the curing brine or sugar mixes, after that sat for??? time then to the smokehouse. |
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ac fleet
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jan 2014 Location: Arrowsmith, ILL Points: 2218 |
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Butcher your own!!!! I used to --nuttin to it--just like skinnin a big ole fat rabbit! ----just bigger parts!
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 78087 |
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Get a local deer hunter that does his own butchering.. Offer him 10% of the meat to help you out !
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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chaskaduo
Orange Level Joined: 26 Nov 2016 Location: Twin Cities Points: 5203 |
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Sharpen your Knives and bone up on how to do it again. I like to have a Sawsall also. Yeah it's been 15-20 yrs since. Where does the time go.
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DIESEL
Silver Level Joined: 26 Aug 2013 Location: Sandhills Points: 259 |
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I messed up and didn't set up an appointment for the 3 fats I have to butcher, never do till 60 days before their ready. I called most of the locker plants from Valentine Nebraska to west point and south. I could get 1 in October, 1 in December and everyone else was booked till February and March. Not sure what we're gonna do.
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Kansas99
Orange Level Access Joined: 26 Feb 2015 Location: W Kansas Points: 4810 |
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John, my pretty simple rule of thumb that I've always told people that split halves with me was they would get steak, roasts, and good hamburger bought & processed for the price of store bought hamburger that's 50% old cow, tallow, and water for the same price. Right now that's out the window with prices I've seen for hamburger but I agree with you that $2.95 in your freezer is a good price.
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john(MI)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: SE MI Points: 9263 |
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I just saw on FB a farmer in WI offering their beef for $2.95 pound. Butchered, wrapped, and frozen. Sounded like a good price to me!
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Ray you are 100% correct; Sad state of affairs all the way around for a made up political pandemic.
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FREEDGUY
Orange Level Access Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5391 |
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A local news report (this morning) interviewed the owner of a local "meat market" that only sells meat of all varieties but does NOT offer butchering, claimed he "HAD" to raise his prices $3-5/ pound due to his suppliers new cost ??
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HD6GTOM
Orange Level Joined: 30 Nov 2009 Location: MADISON CO IA Points: 6627 |
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Been looking at some alternatives. Won't buy anything outta squallmarts meat coolers. Got's some bad beef outta there. But I found some maple flavored sausage precooked Walmart brand in bags in the frozen breakfast section. I really like them. Micro wave 4 of them for 2 minutes along with a big old glass of original V8 juice and breakfast is over. No skillet to clean, just 2 paper towels to toss inn the trash. All the rest of out meat comes from Fairway, the locker, or from the grandson hunting/fishing trips.
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Kansas99
Orange Level Access Joined: 26 Feb 2015 Location: W Kansas Points: 4810 |
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Mike, that's because the restaurants are the main users of the steaks the packers have and they have been shut down, so there are cheap steaks, or they go bad. Local grocery store had case lots of ribeyes for $5 a pound on sale. I picked up one on 4/27 and it was packaged by JBS in Greeley CO on 3/25. Same store had hamburger for sale for $4.75 a pound. Another interesting thing is when you go to Wal-Mart and see there meat coolers, that isn't theirs. Tyson owns the coolers and meat in them. Wally world pays for it only as they sell it. Yes there are products that aren't Tyson's but a % will be theirs or a subsidiary. Pretty good deal for Wal-Mart as anything spoiled isn't their problem. I believe IBP started this way back before Tyson bought them. |
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plummerscarin
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There's been a boom in home construction projects since this mess started. Permit application way up around here. Plus a hailstorm and a lot of damaged roofs
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