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nella(Pa) 
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Posted: 11 May 2020 at 5:09pm |
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festus51
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Posted: 11 May 2020 at 4:57pm |
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99 that is a nice looking gun.
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Posted: 11 May 2020 at 12:23pm |
My guns are safe to leave scattered around the house. They are all highly trained and know not to be running off and shooting someone. 
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Posted: 11 May 2020 at 11:47am |
Ok Kansas 99 we don't need good looks unless your got fancy glass cases.Just not good form to have them sitting all over the house anymore.  So being a lazy bum anymore got so plastic and SS steal are my favorites. I mostly pack a  Ruger 22/77 in plastic SS. Good to as far as I can generally see the little old California Ground squirrels.
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Posted: 11 May 2020 at 11:32am |
Nice to see there's some Savage fans on here. I love collecting the model 99's, best lever action ever made in my opinion. Have probably 60-70 of them running around the house somewhere.
The Savage bolt actions are for the most part just accurate. That floating bolt head and barrel nut just allow them to be mass produced and retain accuracy.
Here's a picture of the most accurate rifle I've ever owned. Put it together myself, it's built on a Savage Axis action with a Brux barrel chambered in 6.8-284(yes I neck up 6.5-284) on a Dog Tracker stock from Sharp Shooter Supply and a Sightron 10-50X60 scope. Great 1000 yard gun. Now if I was just a better shot. 
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Posted: 11 May 2020 at 8:11am |
My coyote / deer weapon is a Rem 700 BDL in 6mm Rem, I bought around 1979. Was a popular alternative to the .243 at the time. Factory ammo for that has all but dried up.
Lucky for me, have a friend who is an avid shooter and loves to reload.
My target practice guns are actually a pair of Beeman air rifles.
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Posted: 10 May 2020 at 9:20pm |
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I have a Savage Axis heavy barrel in 6.5 creedmoor. I like it a lot. Reminds me of my old Savage 243 that I sold. Both great shooters. The 6.5 is heavy to lug around so I have shooting sticks. The farthest shot on a critter was a sick raccoon at 250 yds and I held the crosshairs right on it. Anchored it. My rifle likes the 140 gr. Remington Core lok. I have shot the Winchester deer season 127 gr.but the 140 will shoot one ragged hole at 100 yes. I like the rifle as it is low recoil. I would reccomend it for anyone looking for an economical varmint/ deer rifle.
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Posted: 10 May 2020 at 7:57pm |
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Yea I have a couple of Savage's not always the smoothest action but they do shoot good.
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Posted: 10 May 2020 at 7:03pm |
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To be honest, I never heard of the 6.5 CM until I started gun shopping last year. I have a 30-06. I figured a 30-06 was about 150 yard gun in the hands of someone like me. With the size of my pasture fields I felt I need something capable of taking a coyote up to 400 yards. I wanted a.243, but after learning about the 6.5 CM and its long distance capabilities I wanted it. I figured if they were good at 1200 yards they should be great at 400. I’ve learned that’s not necessarily true. A 243 probably would have suited my needs just as well, maybe better. My axis is what savage likes to call a budget rifle. It has more plastic parts than most guns. It doesn’t work as smooth as my Rem 700, but probably shoots better.
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Posted: 10 May 2020 at 10:29am |
well modirt,,,the 308 is a really great round,,,but it goes subsonic around 8-900 yrds,,,where the 6.5CM goes subsonic around 14-1500 yrds,,,,with less recoil,,, so +2 for the creed
most guys shooting that far are using a 140-143gr bullet in the creed,,,,and 168-175gr in the 308,,,i just happen the have a pile of 6.5 140gr bullets from the old days of shooting the 264 win mag....i originally started looking for a 243,,,i wanted a 300yrd coyote gun,,,,then i found this 6.5 configuration and it just kept saying my name,,,,you know you want me kinda thing,,,lol,,,i really like this rifle and scope set up,,,so far it has 4 coyotes under its belt and i hope we put a deer in the freezer this fall,,,
i have both and just to be honest if i would have gotten the 6.5 first i prolly wouldnt own the 308,,,,i like it and it is a shooter,,,,but i got the creed in february for my birthday,,,,from me to me,,,lol,, and i tell ya it is pretty amazing,,,,i will say i reload for both,,,neither has ever had a factory round down the pipe,,,so right now knowing what i know if i had to pick i would take the 6.5,,,,,i have had it to 500yrds to date and it is kinda boring ,,,,ahahhahahahaa,,,,, i play with it from the drive way at 200 and i shoot at a 4" steel plate,,,,no problem,,pretty easy with this set up,,,if i miss it ,,,it is something i did,,,
800 for a deer shot is a pretty good poke,,,,big bean field shot for sure,,,,a lot can happen in that kind of distance,,,wound a coyote,,, not what i want to do,, BUT it might not bother me to much,,,wound a deer at that range and you may never find it,,,,and that wouldnt sit to well with me,,,
anyway if he already has the 308,,,then go for it,,,,the round is VERY capable at that range,,,PRACTICE,,PRACTICE,,,PRACTICE,,at that range so you know you can make a kill shot that far,,,the deer deserve that
my .02
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Posted: 10 May 2020 at 9:19am |
I have grown curious about the 6.5 Creedmore. Seems to have gained popularity with the long distance shooters.......like the 1,000 yard guys. That is over half a mile away. Long distance shooting.....sounds like a fun hobby.
When my kid got out of the Marines......he started looking for a long distance weapon for fun and sport, and the Gunny he talked to convinced him to get a .308 Howa (same as Weatherby) with a bull barrel. Scope has since been upgraded to a long distance tactical. While his initial plan was to show up his cousins......who couldn't seem to hit the side of a barn.....from the inside.........he was hoping to drop a deer out to 800 yards.....just to say he had done it. I warned him that where he was hunting he would do as well with a 12 gauge and deer slugs.......but he wanted to try. So all the deer he has killed to date, average distance has been under 100 yards.
Anyway, in the sniper world, the .308 was and still is a popular category. That said, the ballistics of the .308 vs. the 6.5 Creedmore seem to be wildly different, yet those two seem to be the one's a lot of folks gravitate to.
If the 6.5 slings a 130 grain bullet, it ought to have stopping power up close.......not sure what happens out to 800 yards? .308 still has some smack out that far.
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Posted: 09 May 2020 at 9:49pm |
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Rance...I plugged in the ballistics for your winchester cartridge from winchester web sight...and I just guessed at your scope height center of bore to center of scope...put that in at 1.625....so they say muzzel vel is 2850...BC is .540....so with a 100 yrds zero..it said zero hold at 75... Hold over for 150 is about 1".... Hold over for 200 is just over 3".... You should verify that but its prolly pretty close....but you should be able to hold on a sitting fox out to 200...I would hold just under his chin at 200
I will tell you that my 140gr bullet has better down range ballistics and flys flatter than the 130 tipped game changer sierra bullet that I use for deer
That being a deer bullet that your cartridge has should kill a fox but dont expect great terminal performance.... Maybe not much expansion........ Unless you hit a bone
Good luck...I'm sure he will give you another shot...like Ted said...make sure you know what's behind your target....that bullet is going through for sure
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Posted: 09 May 2020 at 7:02pm |
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If you like to know, I was using Winchester brand called Deer season XP. Cheap but I been shooting pretty good with them. I also like Hornady SST, they are 129gr I think. I don’t care as much for the Remington core lock. Those are the only ammo I’ve used in this gun. I don’t reload. BTW, the fox is still alive. I seen it again. I will get another chance.
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Posted: 09 May 2020 at 4:26pm |
Exactly......rule #5.... The 5 Basic Principles of Gun Safety: - Treat every gun as if it were loaded.
- Always point your gun in a safe direction.
- Never point your gun at anything you don't intend to shoot.
- Keep your finger off the trigger until your ready to shoot.
- Be sure of your target and what's beyond.
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Posted: 09 May 2020 at 12:35pm |
This is somewhat related........and may or may not apply to the situation.
Years ago, guy we knew shot at a rabbit in his garden with a dinky little .22......rabbit was uphill......shot missed. Later that day, news came on that police were investigating a murder........turns out that missed shot carried over the hill, over an Interstate highway and came to rest in the brain pan of a lady standing in her driveway. Dropped her graveyard dead where she was standing.
Somebody put 2 + 2 together and concluded it was guy's missed shot that killed her. He went to prison for manslaughter.
Since then, my pucker factor gets high when shooting up a hill or into a tree or anywhere I'm not entirely certain that shot isn't going to hit anything that matters when it comes down.
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Posted: 09 May 2020 at 11:58am |
so Ranse,,,i been reading along here and yeah you could have missed but maybe not,,,,you say you got you a 6.5CM,,,,and you say the fox was sitting up hill looking at you at 100yrds,,,are you sure it was 100??,,,and you held in the middle of the target,,,vertically,,,,and you are using a 125 gr bullet
so if you got the rifle zeroed at 100yrds you should have smacked it no problem...my first question would be what bullet is in the shells you are using,,,foxes are really light skinned and if you are using a big game,,(deer) bullet it could have zipped right through that fox without expanding and he was dead and didnt know it until later,,,,you know run off and die later
i have a 6.5 CM too,,,i use it for coyotes,,and deer,,,i really like the cartridge and it is a pretty flat shooter,,,100yrds is a cake walk,,,,my zero is 45yrds,,,,and it is a hold on out to 200,,,,high and low from zero to zero is less than 1" and with that zero i only need 4.5 min of elevation to be on at 400yrds,,yep thats it for real,,so unless you hit a twig or something between you and the fox you more than likely just punched a small hole through that fox,,,,if the bullet hit a bone it would be a totally different story,,,,,of course it all comes down to,,, if you did your part and did the the squeeze the trigger and not the snap the trigger thing
i can tell you that varmint bullets and big game bullets work way different,,,,just,,,, IN MY OPINION,,,,,, there just aint enough stuff in a fox to make a deer bullet work like it is supposed to ,,,unless it hits a bone or something solid,,,,but thin skinned varmint bullets work great,,,wont work on a deer but foxes and coyotes,,,,oh yeah
anyway all that said you could have just missed ,,,it does happen the best of us,,,
just for shucks and grins what shell are you shooting??? curious minds want to know,,,if i had the particulars i could plug the info into a ballistic calculator and give you some data to play with
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Posted: 08 May 2020 at 8:51pm |
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Nuttin’ honey..... I was replying about ray’s popcorn.
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Posted: 08 May 2020 at 6:35pm |
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Well I`ll throw another monkey wrench in the mix. If you shoot a 220 swift and a 30-30 side by side, both perfectly level, at the same height and the land was exactly level, both bullets would hit the ground at exactly the same time. They will not hit the ground at the same place, but at the same time.
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Posted: 08 May 2020 at 5:48pm |
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And what makes you think I aint messin around, too?
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Posted: 08 May 2020 at 10:21am |
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Posted: 08 May 2020 at 10:13am |
How much popcorn should I be popping.
Living on the edge EVERYTHING is on the up and down. From my playing around most game is not waiting for you to use the rangefinder  and most people our very poor judges of distance. When you miss judge the distance the rest don't really matter.
An since we our on government ordered vacation maybe time to practice my shooten.  But then again I always practiced my shooten when the Lord did not put other jobs in my face,so maybe nothing has changed.
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Posted: 08 May 2020 at 7:56am |
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^^Exactly Dave!IF the barrel of the gun is perfectly level, and all the ground is on a level plane. And once "level" is taken out of that assumption, everything changes.
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Ha, well yeah, but that wasn't exactly my point. You sight in a gun, you're "lofting" it. The farther away you sight it in, the more loft. Takes more loft at 400 yds than it does at 100 yards. Ground is rarely PERFECTLY flat for several hundred yards, so you don't have a flat plane. So, dropping a bullet and shooting a bullet at the same time is mathematically correct, but completely impractical. How often does one shoot a gun with the barrel perfectly level?
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Posted: 07 May 2020 at 5:57pm |
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^^Exactly Dave!IF the barrel of the gun is perfectly level, and all the ground is on a level plane. And once "level" is taken out of that assumption, everything changes.
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Everything but the law of gravity... Gravity is the same, at the top, or bottom of the hill
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Posted: 07 May 2020 at 12:19pm |
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I think you have one fast Fox. You'll get him, I got faith in ya buddy. You may need to feed him some more fresh chicken and fatten him up a little. I'm sure not as fast as I used to be.
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Posted: 07 May 2020 at 8:02am |
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I was using a Savage Axis bolt action in 6.5 Creedmoor with a 125gr bullet. And yes, I could have just missed. 100 yards is within my capabilities, but it is certainly not a chip shot for me. I guess I'm searching for excuses.
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With that gun that is a chip shot. 0 @ 200yds. trajectory @ 100yds. 1.5in. sandbag it on a bench to see where it is shooting at 100yds. clean your gun, don't do what I do, do as I say!!!!
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Posted: 07 May 2020 at 7:13am |
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Set up a target at that same spot and throw a few rounds from where you shot before. You're gonna find out what happened
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Posted: 07 May 2020 at 7:09am |
^^Exactly Dave! IF the barrel of the gun is perfectly level, and all the ground is on a level plane. And once "level" is taken out of that assumption, everything changes.
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Posted: 07 May 2020 at 4:49am |
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A bullet fired from a gun, at a target, hits the ground, at the same time, as a bullet dropped, from the end of the barrel...
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Posted: 06 May 2020 at 10:10pm |
I was using a Savage Axis bolt action in 6.5 Creedmoor with a 125gr bullet. And yes, I could have just missed. 100 yards is within my capabilities, but it is certainly not a chip shot for me. I guess I'm searching for excuses.
I've been studying a lot about Festus51's comments. They make sense. I was thinking, if you fired a bullet straight up, it wouldn't have any drop at all. It would just continue to climb until it ran out of momentum. It would have to slow down faster, but gravity wouldn't have any effect on its flight path. Like wise if you fired a bullet straight down. Anything in between gravity would have an effect. The steeper the angle, the less the effect, I get it. But you know what, understanding it don't really help me kill that fox. I believe that's on me.
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Posted: 06 May 2020 at 3:00pm |
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The fox was sitting facing me. I put my cross hairs in the middle of its chest (largest part of body). I should have hit it somewhere even if the the shot had been high or low. I went and walked around the area were the fox was at, and I didn't see anywhere the bullet hit the ground. I assume the shot went way high, perhaps over the fox and over the top of the hill. I have done some shooting down hill (not as steep). I'm usually always at least on the paper at 100 yards. |
What kind of gun are you using?
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