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Ray54
Orange Level Access Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4365 |
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I will send Shameless over to help you move it. The 2 perfect days are close Christmas and New Years morning at sun up, everybody is opening gifts or asleep. You just go right down the road.
Its 30 years ago now but a wahoo took a D6 and 18 foot dag disc 2 or 3 miles( no wheels) down the super 2 lane highway. Never got in any trouble, cause many would like if he did. I have walked a D6, 7 miles from one place to another, 7 mile on the road this was jeep trails and across pastures so it was a bit more miles. I went over a bunch of hill and 6 or 8 gates in less than 3 hours.So if a stones throw is the same in OK I would look at trying to drive it. I use conveyor belting to cross "delicate" oil sealed gravel roads good asphalt is not damaged by a crawler as light as a M. For the big celebration in town called Pioneer Days every year they take 20 to 30 crawlers down main street. All the way up to Cat 60's that would be about 4 times bigger than a M. They go slow and don't turn short, just little white marks from the grousers. No rubber pads or wood blocks just regular working cleats.
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NomoreJohnDeere
Silver Level Joined: 24 Jul 2017 Location: Missouri Ozarks Points: 308 |
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$700 not that much difference, if that sounds like a lot you should probably stay clear of old dozers
it sounded a bit too good to be true at 2500 to take serious, I would have ran to get money
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Ted J
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18720 |
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A better one around the corner? Don't know what to tell you,,,, I've been a little quick to pull the trigger on a few and been sorry afterward.
Take your time and check it out well. It could pay for itself in no time at all. I don't know what a stones throw is for you, but that's just across the road for me. (I'd tear my shoulder out) If you've got help and it's not that far, you can put planks down and run across em. Put em in front and then go and as you go forward, you just pick them up from behind and put em in front again. Slow going but it works... |
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JW in MO
Orange Level Joined: 16 Feb 2010 Location: South KC Area Points: 2595 |
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Well that does change everything, they are kinda rare in this part of the country but that's getting into the gotta have it to finish out the collection or family crawler kinda price.
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CrestonM
Orange Level Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8357 |
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Well guys, a rather significant blunder was made on my part.
When I talked to him initially, it was via telephone, and he mentioned he was selling it and wanted $2,500, or so I thought. I was in kind of a bad reception area, and I thought he said $2,500, but upon clarification today, he really is asking $4,500. That’s the price he’d want from most people, but said he’d cut me a deal at $3,200 since we’ve been such good friends for the last 10 years or so. He bought the dozer for $3,800 and shipping was another $1,500, so I know how he feels when he wants to recoupe his losses there. I’ll have to have it shipped to the farm anyway, as my trailer barely hauls the 8N. So there’s more expense there. Right now it’s just not in my budget for all that, so I’m beginning to doubt I’ll buy it. But...I’m going to give myself a couple days to think it over some more. JW...it’s still at his house, just a stones throw from me. Tell Clarissa she can come give me a crawler lesson anytime |
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darrel in ND
Orange Level Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8585 |
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Make sure that you have a heavy duty trailer and tow vehicle lined up to get it up to Hutch with. Darrel
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DiyDave
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 50546 |
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Covers pins, bushings, rail height, lower roller diameters, front idlers, carrier roller,rear sprockets and tensioners...
Edited by DiyDave - 17 Dec 2018 at 8:10pm |
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JW in MO
Orange Level Joined: 16 Feb 2010 Location: South KC Area Points: 2595 |
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Creston, you need to just go get it unless you are still trying to talk yourself in to it. Do I need to bring Clarissa over to give you lessons? (sharp pokey stick at work)
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Reindeer
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Calgary, AB Points: 650 |
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Looks to be in decent shape, pretty straight and well looked after. Pinion is not showing too much wear. The track chain is always the question. Worn chains, are prone to fall off at bad times. Also no fun to put on when they do walk off which is always in the worst place.
That said, it looks to be worth the asking price and probably more to a collector. As you mentioned, you can try it and if you find it small for your needs, it would be fairly saleable, and you probably would not be out much for trying it. Heck, its an Allis. Get it home, and then see what you want to do
Edited by Reindeer - 17 Dec 2018 at 6:55pm |
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NomoreJohnDeere
Silver Level Joined: 24 Jul 2017 Location: Missouri Ozarks Points: 308 |
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I'd get it just to play with it
please don't tell me where it's at you can't go wrong |
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8168 |
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Creston,
I think is worth what they are asking. In fact might be worth twice that to the right collector. You cant go wrong. Thanks for the report and the pictures. Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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CrestonM
Orange Level Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8357 |
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Haha! The rural fire dept. is literally about 3 blocks away!
I felt the bushings and looked them over. Almost perfectly round, not showing much wear. I'm not familiar with dozers, what all is covered by the term "undercarriage"?
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DiyDave
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 50546 |
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Stick a finger or 2 up into the rails, and see if you can feel if the bushings are wore out. For that money, better jump on it, if the UC ain't wore out!
As for a burn job, take a box of strike anywhere matches with you, and get the burn started in an area where you put down some tracks... then go to the other end, and start workin there, helps if the wind is driving, in a favorable direction, thattaway, when the FD shows up, you can say this ole machine musta blew a spark out, when it backfired...
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CrestonM
Orange Level Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8357 |
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I know you're right on this one. We've burned ground before, with nice results the following spring.
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shameless dude
Orange Level Joined: 10 Apr 2017 Location: east NE Points: 13611 |
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i'll gives him $2500. for it, $3000. if he delivers it here! oh....and just drive past that area you wanna clear and throw a cigar (lit) in there! it'll save you a little time!
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CrestonM
Orange Level Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8357 |
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It’ll be interesting to see how the oaks do. Some of them are about 15’ tall, but the ground is soft sandy loam, thanks to the Dust Bowl. I’ve pulled some of those oaks (alive) out with a 1996 F-350 gas in 4-Low with just a couple tugs. Traction is always the biggest issue in this soft soil.
When I pull the disc, the gangs sink to their axles without any weights added. |
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CAL(KS)
Orange Level Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3735 |
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ceders are pretty easy to remove. you shouldnt have trouble if that is what your looking to do. the oaks will be tough.
Edited by CAL(KS) - 17 Dec 2018 at 10:07am |
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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
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CrestonM
Orange Level Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8357 |
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Cal, yes I've spent a little time in a Deere 329D skidsteer, and this is a little more crude than that. Lol
You were correct about the hydraulics not being live. Not "ideal" but I can tolerate that. Here's a photo from Google Maps showing what I've got to work on. Most of the trees are like this, except for the oaks. |
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CAL(KS)
Orange Level Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3735 |
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it is definitely in good shape and i think the price is reasonable. but take it from a guy with bigger crawlers, they are never big enough. when you get this make sure you are using it within reason, you are not going to just drive up to big tree and push it over. for moving dirt around yes it will be fun but it will be slow. trees and solid objects are alot harder on a machine than just pushing dirt around. looks like the pump drive is on the back, so not live, somewhat irritating but usable. if you havnt used a skidsteer much you will like it, but if you have it may feel underwhelming. again its a neat machine in good shape but how you use it will determine how much you like it.
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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
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CrestonM
Orange Level Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8357 |
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I may have answered my own question in driving it. It would push out some small trees, but it wouldn't take out a 12" very easy. Would be a lot of forward/reverse shifting and lots of root cutting. Yes, a large dozer would be better for large trees. In the first post I said the trees were mostly cedar, with some oak. Most of the oak are kinda scrawny, because we don't get much rain. A majority of the cedars are 8' tall or less. Not sure what that corresponds to in years. I think it would do a fair job if I'm careful. The main task would be moving small brush piles together for burning that were built several years ago.
I'm thinking we may give it a go, and if it's too small for the work I want to do, I could always sell it.
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allisrutledge
Orange Level Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Location: SurgoinsvilleTN Points: 1352 |
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Look at the pins on the tracks and make sure they are good. Someone has spent more than the asking price on a brush guard and did a fair job of not destroying the M by adding it . I've got a one that don't have a blade. At my age I don't think I would won't to run it 8 hrs a day. Not knowing the trees you have be hard to answer. If they are shallow rooted like cedar and most soft wood I think it would be fine. But if the trees have a tap root like a locusts or oak I think I'd want something newer bigger and more comfortable. As far as parts ,be looking for a spare M to buy if you are thinking of using it. Engine parts are available but final drives and undercarriage parts are non existent. It looks great and I would like it to play with , Not to use but you have less miles and ache a less than I so I say buy it but use it like you were using your grandads tractor and he was watching you!!! Good luck
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Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns
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darrel in ND
Orange Level Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8585 |
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From prices I've seen them advertised for like on craigslist, that's a pretty darn good deal. Darrel
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Gary Burnett
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Virginia Points: 2853 |
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I had a M with a blade years ago it was a real neat piece to own and do a few things with but for a serious machine to push up trees and brush I wouldn't want to use it much. I could do more with a good size tractor with a blade and a subsoiler or ripper on the back. But it is a nice dozer and if you like it and have the money to spare I wouldn't think you could go wrong buying it.
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cwhit
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Sigel IL Points: 963 |
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Creston , I also have an M. Make the deal...
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GARY(OH/IN)
Orange Level Joined: 19 May 2010 Location: Findlay,Ohio Points: 917 |
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I've been checking Creston's post every night but no one has answered his question. You have all spun off in all directions but will it take down trees a foot in diameter? I had the same thought of a M for my own use but doubt I could find as nice a machine. Or at that price!
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CrestonM
Orange Level Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8357 |
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You know Shameless, when I asked if it had a PTO, the owner chimed in, "Hey! You can run a combine with it! Use it to mud out the crop!" Guess it'd pull out the Super 100, too...Lol!
I went and took a look at it, and got to have a little fun digging in the dirt, testing everything out. Starts easily, runs great, no oil leaks, no smoke, lots of lugging power when pushing dirt. It was in the 40s outside, so the hydraulics were a little sluggish at first, but they aren't too bad once they warm up (PTO driven pump) They raise the blade faster than they lower it. Has a float feature for the blade, which I really like. Steering was ok I thought. If you just pull on either of the hand levers, it will gradually turn in the corresponding direction, but the foot brakes are needed quite a bit. The brakes squeal some, but they work quite well. Doesn't take much foot pressure to lock down one set of tracks and spin the machine around. One funny thing I noticed is the machine turns much better using only the hand clutches when going in reverse. Don't need the steering brakes nearly as much to make a good turn around. Undercarriage looked good I thought. Sprockets didn't seem to be abnormally worn, and the bushings are in great shape. Nice and round, not much wear there. Rails look good. New grousers were welded on a few years ago. Now what you're all here for....pics! Foolish me didn't think to get pics until after I parked it, so these will have to do. Paint is actually decent, it's just covered in about a year's worth of dust. The blade and roll cage were made by the previous owner. They're actually well made, and I'm impressed with the workmanship. Everything I saw was bolt-on and could be removed if one desired. Haven't sealed the deal yet, but I'm thinking we may get it. Owner is a good friend, and not in too much of a hurry, so it gives me a little time to think. He's asking $2,500. Y'all think that's good/low/high? |
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shameless dude
Orange Level Joined: 10 Apr 2017 Location: east NE Points: 13611 |
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come on guys...ya'll know why he really wants it! it's to pull his combine outta the mud at Hutch! (poke,poke)
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8168 |
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Creston,
Just kidding, kind of. On mine I have used it 10 hours max in the 4 years I have owned it. and worked on it about 400 hrs. :) Just saying. Hope its a good one and you bring it home. If it is in good working order your projects sound just right for it. Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Bob-Maine
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Central Maine Points: 922 |
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Creston, I can't speak to the M but I have a '63 H-3 (not operating right now) and it is a super machine. Bob@allisdowneast
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I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not sure.
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CrestonM
Orange Level Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8357 |
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Yea, I'd heard about the money pit thing before, which was my biggest concern. If I get it, I won't be using it more than about 50 hours a year, so hopefully things hold together. The current owner has had it for maybe 10 years, and has never had any issues yet. I'll know more here in an hour or so.
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