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| Tbone95   Orange Level Access     Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12246 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Topic: Land Clearing Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 7:09am | ||
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   Anyone ever pay to have land cleared?  Most of the stuff is not real big, but holy is there a ton of it.  If you've hired it out, give me a rough description, where you are, what it cost.  Pondering a land buy, time is of the essence.  Might even buy my own dozer and resell it, I don't know.....
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| Leon B MO   Orange Level   Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Old Monroe, Mo Points: 2197 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 8:17am | ||
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   If most of what you're planning to clear is 18" or less you would be better off with a small trackhoe.  Leon B | |||
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| DON G   Silver Level Access     Joined: 14 Feb 2014 Location: Lowpoint, IL Points: 419 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 8:56am | ||
|  Might be cheaper to hire someone. Dozers are expensive to fix. Had that problem after buying one. | |||
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| BPM75   Orange Level     Joined: 11 Jun 2011 Location: Greenup IL Points: 1050 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 9:16am | ||
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   I'm thinking around here its $85-100 per hour but its been awhile since we had any work done so I may be off a little. I'm in south east Il.
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| Tbone95   Orange Level Access     Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12246 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 9:46am | ||
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 OK, never used either really, how would that work? I don't want to be hooking up chains 9000 times. 
 I know, that's why I'm askin'! 
 Any idea on acres/hour or hours per acre? Edited by Tbone95 - 31 Mar 2015 at 9:47am | |||
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| ac fleet   Orange Level   Joined: 12 Jan 2014 Location: Arrowsmith, ILL Points: 2337 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 10:08am | ||
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   central Il. DEERE 450 (big hoe!--and if you don't piss of the owner, his rates are good), he is #1 owner/operator in this area and works fast! rates with other guys are in the $85-- to $125 range for the bigger hoe and don't take them as long to get the job done and move on!--you want a mid to big hoe to get the job done fast so it don't cost as much or take near as long! Look on you-tube at one of my vids of John and his mighty DEERE and see the nice clean job he is doing for us siding BIG trees in fence row! thanks; ac fleet | |||
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| Orange Blood   Orange Level     Joined: 29 Nov 2010 Location: ColoradoSprings Points: 4053 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 10:09am | ||
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 That's good advise there!!  I love running the old CAT D8 any chance i get, but for clearing trees, there is nothing like the power of the curl power of the track hoe bucket.   For example on a dozer, you can push a tree over, and then back up, and turn, and maneuver, and push again, on a track hoe, you stay stationary, and dig on one side, dig on the other, then dig in the front, cutting many of the roots,  run the bucket up a bit, and push the tree over. pick the tree up, drop it, knocks the dirt ball off, fill the hole, crawl to the next one. Granted our excavator is an old Hopto 900B made by Warner Swasey back in the 70s, and has an 8v71 Detroit, and I think a 2, or 2.5 yard bucket, so it is a bit of a beast, but on trees, the hoe out performs the old D8 push cat.  Newer equipment may be a completely different story, since changing directions on a D8 2U model, involves about 14 levers, 3 feet, and a shoulder, unlike the new joystick stuff. | |||
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| Tony.Or   Orange Level     Joined: 18 Mar 2010 Location: Oregon Points: 1498 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 10:31am | ||
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    Take  they  guys  advice  hire  some one  that knows  what  they are doing, a trackhoe &  a dozer  with a  brush  rake  can do a clean  job for  you. Plus you can  burn  the  piles .Dirt  won`t  burn.  Have  done  lots  of  acres ,  from  brush  to large  trees .    Tony
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| john(MI)   Orange Level     Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: SE MI Points: 9262 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 10:39am | ||
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   If you are in a hurry and get someone cheap you will probably end up with big piles of dirt and trees down one side of the property.  It'll be done but it won't grow much! Depending on how big the stuff is, you might be better off hiring one of those big brush hogs in to just mow it off. What I have seen along the Eway they chew up some good sized trees. Keep it brush hogged off a couple of years yourself, and most of the root balls will be rotted. You won't be planting it but it will be good for pasture, and in a couple years you can plant it and the topsoil will still be there. | |||
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| michaelwis   Orange Level     Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Wi Points: 8765 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 10:48am | ||
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   Unless you know what you are doing, hire it done  We are gonna have some land cleared this fall We will be using a large track hoe , and a large cat both are at 100 dollars per hour The other option is use dynamite for the stumps again , I would hire that done | |||
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| Tbone95   Orange Level Access     Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12246 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 10:53am | ||
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   Guys, I've got no pride against hiring it done.  I don't have the equipment, experience, or TIME.  Everyone is saying $/hr, no one is saying how much can be covered in an hour.  I realize that varies greatly.  But, there is a section that is a Christmas tree planting, the rest is a tree here and there, the rest is tag alders.  Break it down into sections per price if you want.
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| michaelwis   Orange Level     Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Wi Points: 8765 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 11:39am | ||
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   One other option, if you have smaller trees , get the bobcat attachment that grabs the tree vertically , I,ve found this to work real well on less than 6 inch diameter trees , also better in spring  Yes , what you can do per hour varies from field to field | |||
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| BPM75   Orange Level     Joined: 11 Jun 2011 Location: Greenup IL Points: 1050 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 12:53pm | ||
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   I don't remember acres/hour and it vary greatly from job to job. Best thing to do is find someone in your area have them look at the property and give you an estimate, even if its ballpark you'll have some idea.
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| AC7060IL   Orange Level   Joined: 19 Aug 2012 Location: central IL Points: 3579 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 1:47pm | ||
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   Acres/hour? Probably not going to get that info here? You'll need a local operator to estimate that for you. It depends on what size trees, how many trees, operators equipment size, number of operators, & conditions ( weather).  Lots of variables.... Excavator (trackhoe) seem to work fastest.
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| Tbone95   Orange Level Access     Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12246 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 2:03pm | ||
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 I completely understand that. I guess I didn't ask the question very well to begin with. I was hoping for someone to say for example: "I had pine trees, scrub trees, and less than 5% hardwoods, no bigger than 10", and it took a guy 2 hours per acre". Or: I had old growth timber logged, then hired it clear. 3 guys, 2 dozers and an excavator and they covered 3 acres and hour". In other words, if replies would have been examples of things people had done, with specifics, I could have narrowed it down and compared with the estimate I WILL BE GETTING, to see if it was fair or what. | |||
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| Wdtractorman   Orange Level   Joined: 24 Sep 2013 Location: Kentucky Points: 975 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 7:24pm | ||
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   This happens to be what I do for a living in ky our area a d5 flat track will run about 85hr d6 hi will run 125 hr d8 150hr.A track hoe of any size will be over 100 an hr. If it small stuff 4in or under in diameter a small d5 will do the trick witha 6 way blade if your not pushing a long way you can really cover some ground I'd say I can do 5 acre a day in a good 8/9 hrs. Anything much bigger in size than that 6in mark a track hoe will tack down much faster and will keep it cleaner if you want to burn it. but anything smaller a track hoe will wast a lot of time. Unless you going to have to move trees a long wase a big dozer will work about as fast as a track hoe really the fastest way would be a good sizer d6/8  dozer and a 330 cat or a 350 size jd hoe with a thumb but that be close to 300 an hr for both peaces. And honistly you be much better off hiring it done it you have no exprence. bc you can get hurt fast clearing. Iv knocked out a few windows but I seen people almost knock there heads off and it happens very quickly.  
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| kinghunter   Silver Level     Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Location: Kansas/Missouri Points: 408 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 9:05pm | ||
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i can clear 3 acres a day cut and stacked with a bobcat and a tree saw. not a shear a saw. and its 75 a hour anything 20 inches and under. all stumps are under ground and can brush hog. i have a d5b and a hd6 allis and can tell you clearing small brush i prefer the the bobcat and tree saw. and dirt work or big brush i like the dozers. and if you can get a couple people working together with two bobcats one to stack and one to cut i have seen 8 acres a day done of heavy hedge and locust. oh the choices but this is what i prefer.a dozer runs 125 a hour here in my area and thats what i was charged by a local who had a hd21 to come take out some very large locust and elm trees that i would have dug on for hours with my 5. he cleared 7 acres of that stuff in 10 hours. and all this i'm describing was so thick you couldnt walk through it.  Edited by kinghunter - 31 Mar 2015 at 9:10pm | |||
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| victoryallis   Orange Level   Joined: 15 Apr 2010 Location: Ludington mi Points: 2878 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 9:16pm | ||
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   Cleared close to 80 acres in the last few years I figure close to $1000/acre. Dozer will make a big mess fast. Hoe with thumb seems the best. Dozers have a way of finding dirt and it don't burn well.  We looking at renting a hoe I couldn't see how I was saving anything.  
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| GARY(OH/IN)   Orange Level   Joined: 19 May 2010 Location: Findlay,Ohio Points: 917 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 11:17pm | ||
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   Perfect subject , I have 8 acres to clear when the timber is out. Need to make sure I can even clear it first.
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| SHAMELESS   Orange Level     Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EAST NE Points: 29486 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 11:59pm | ||
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   well I been clearing out 80 acres since last year...Coke's sons machine he made for me is still working great! I still have about 20 acres left, will be working on that this month. I have until June 1st to have it all done or the "stockholders" say they will hire it finished at (they say) my expense! and I know that will be hired out to the highest paid company in the area! we'll see! I may hafta sue em! isn't family great! oh...wait...they said we weren't family anymore...we are stockholders! PffffT! maybe i'll surprise them all and order the farm sold! I am gittin a lot of firewood outta this tho! how many semi loads ya'll wanna buy? 
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| SHAMELESS   Orange Level     Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EAST NE Points: 29486 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 01 Apr 2015 at 12:01am | ||
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   oh...and the local dudes here charge $200. an hour for their work! years ago I bought a track loader and chisel...and they wouldn't pay me $50.00 an hr to do any tree removal...so I sold it!
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| Tbone95   Orange Level Access     Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12246 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 01 Apr 2015 at 6:56am | ||
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   Thanks for all the info!  Boy, this is going to be expensive if I do it!  I was thinking, and it is a RISK for sure, I thought if I bought a machine, and IF I didn't break it, and IF I could resell it timely, that would be keep the cost down.  Those are all very big ifs I realize. Wow, I just don't know.... | |||
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| MACK   Orange Level   Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 01 Apr 2015 at 7:57am | ||
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   One other thing in todays world, check with local goverment offic if it can be cleared. There are some crazy laws with what they call wetlands. Could cost more to get out of a jam than to clear it.  MACK
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| Jim seIl   Orange Level     Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Location: Albion Illinois Points: 382 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 01 Apr 2015 at 9:00am | ||
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   My advice is to get some sucker to buy it and clear it and pick up roots for a few years then buy it at his bankrupt sale. unless you really like picking up chunk/roots I would forget it
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| SHAMELESS   Orange Level     Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EAST NE Points: 29486 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 01 Apr 2015 at 7:56pm | ||
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   the bestest pieces of equipment to buy to clear trees isa tree puller and a backhoe...preferably an extend a hoe as you won't hafta reset as often! 
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| Lonn   Orange Level     Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29817 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 02 Apr 2015 at 6:50am | ||
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  Not too many years ago I had a chance to buy my great uncles farm at a very reasonable price but backed out after I asked the government permission to tile the farm out and they said no. It was a very wet farm but just across the road from my place and it had very good soil. It got sold to a stranger who hates the government and he never asked permission to tile. He just did it and it is now a very good piece of land. I could have owned it for $1,450 per acre. If I had never asked permission I would own it today. | |||
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| victoryallis   Orange Level   Joined: 15 Apr 2010 Location: Ludington mi Points: 2878 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 02 Apr 2015 at 7:34am | ||
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 Why is that better than a Trac hoe with thumb? | |||
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| SHAMELESS   Orange Level     Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EAST NE Points: 29486 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 02 Apr 2015 at 11:29am | ||
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   because they are faster and don't hafta reset as often to get different bites on larger trees! is a whole lot faster than my HD5 was
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| victoryallis   Orange Level   Joined: 15 Apr 2010 Location: Ludington mi Points: 2878 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 02 Apr 2015 at 11:53am | ||
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   Trac hoe turns 360 degrees and has no out riggers plus it doesn't take much of one to have a bigger reach than a back hoe.  My guy is creeping ahead as the boom is going side to side.  My guy does my clearing as fill in work he runs in some pretty soft stuff. 
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| SHAMELESS   Orange Level     Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EAST NE Points: 29486 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 02 Apr 2015 at 7:04pm | ||
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