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AC Mel
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Location: N.Ca. Points: 1101 |
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Posted: 24 Mar 2015 at 1:42pm |
So a couple of days before we went to the"Redwood Region Logging Conference" antique equipment display we got to visit with Loyd Mittelstatd. Lloyd with his father and 2 brothers had a sawmill they started in Cloverdale Ca.(Sonoma County) Known as Barnes Lumber. They acquired the tractor from a private timberland family that had purchased it new. The family was using it to log with when an untimely death in the family (not related to the logging project) prompted them to sell it to Lloyd and his family to continue logging on there property. Lloyd remembers the tractor as being almost new at that time, only a couple of years old.
They continued to log on that property for several years and then went on to log different parcels of property in the Occidental, Forestville areas of Sonoma County. Lloyd tells stories of having to cut into quarters 14' diameter redwood logs to haul to the mill. They had 3 or 4 company trucks including Macks, Pete's and KWs at different times. They cut a lot of fir also, mostly depending on what the mill needed to cut for lumber at the time. He talks about loading logs with an HD5 loader that they had to adjust the hydraulic pressure to be able to load the big wood and getting a hot oil bath when a hydraulic hose would break. That all went on until about 1970 when the sawmill burned down. At that time they elected not to rebuild the mill and the tractor sat. We were able to track Lloyd down with several phone calls knowing that the family still runs a lumber yard in Cloverdale. After emailing some pictures to Mary Jane, Lloyds wife. She called and said "we've gotta come look". It was a very enjoyable visit and I hope I got the story right. The tractor sat for several years before John Guilliams of St Helena, Ca. purchased it for developing his vineyard and winery property. John used it for several years and then parked it sometime 15-20 years ago where it sat until he donated it to our collection. We would like to thank John again. We removed the angle blade and leave the C frame on for hauling so we don't have to use a pilot car for moving up the highway. We carry the blade on the boom truck so we can put it on after we unload It's about a 3 and half hour drive We were able to use the yard forklift to put the blade on so we didn't have to get are boom out We've always tried to post all the basic info, which seems to be helpful. So the first day is Education Day. Over 1800 school students visited the Lumberjack Show,Wild Things, and Historical Displays, (and trust me there favorite thing is blowing the steam whistles) Footprints all over our $2000.00 paint job was somewhat nerve racking. But they enjoyed it. So one morning we had a tractor pulling competition between a Cat 15A D8 and a International TD24 So I 'm struggling on getting this video on here. I'm going to post the 2 links separately. They link to the photo bucket pictures. If this doesn't work someone that wants to help can jump in. http://vid966.photobucket.com/albums/ae147/doowder1/logging%20show%20setup/P3200154_zpskg5afa6h.mp4 And of course there's a payoff video http://vid966.photobucket.com/albums/ae147/doowder1/logging%20show%20setup/P3200156_zpsm2kxxuj8.mp4 Hope that works One of our visitors that we we're expecting is ACcrazy (Bruce) from the Allis Chalmers Forum lore. Bruce is one of are go to guys for Humboldt County. He's working on some other sightings he's heard about. When we left we had to get out our boom to load the blade. It was a great time had by all. We met lots of appreciative people for sharing our tractors with them. It's that IRON DISEASE we have. I'll start a different post for the treasures we made deals on and will be procuring for future collection. |
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AC Mel
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Location: N.Ca. Points: 1101 |
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Ok I'm back. It appears the video links work. So the explanation would go like this. Ernie Burton of Willits Redwood Products recently started his own Caterpillar collection for displays like this also. This would be a Caterpillar 15A D8 (very nice specimen) The blade of both these tractors were left of for transportation purposes. Troy James (curator) for" Roots of Motive Power" is at the controls of the Roots International TD24. My take on it was that the 24 could out pull for a few seconds but the engine would lug down to where Troy would have to throw the clutch. GREAT ENTERTAINMENT!! for visitors. We're all Roots members and Ernie is also one of the directors for the Redwood Region Logging Conference (I kinda see more of this happening in the future, cause I know where there's a HD20 waiting for restoration)
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darrel in ND
Orange Level Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8623 |
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IRON DISEASE!!!!! That is an understatement, maybe? Great stuff you've posted here. Thnx, and keep it coming! Darrel
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darrel in ND
Orange Level Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8623 |
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Got to add something else.....I know you are probably pretty used to loading and unloading these crawler tractors, but do you still get a little bit of a shock to your system (maybe a poor choice of words) when them crawlers hit the point of over centering? Darrel
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ACcrazy
Silver Level Joined: 30 May 2012 Location: Eureka, Califor Points: 97 |
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It was good seeing you and David again Mel!
Your machines look fantastic as usual. I was very impressed how quiet the HD15 is. I thought it would be a real screaming me me with that Jimmy powering it. It sounds like a new machine. I think that TD24 would have won if it was geared a little lower. Every time he clutched it and got the RPM back up he'd yank that 8 backwards. |
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8237 |
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Darrel,
I was thinking the same thing! Might make some items, in lower regions, tighten up at that moment too:) Mel, Great shots of your crawlers at the show! I think the kids loved it! Thanks for sharing this with us! Regards, Chris |
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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JC-WI
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: wisconsin Points: 33780 |
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Mel, as usual, you have given us much pleasures in reading your posts along with all the pictures... Very interesting in the history too
Should have given the kids a towel to polish up the paint and see them scatter. LOL So, are you saying that next year you will be doing an HD20 for show, if all goes well? LOL
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JohnCO
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992 |
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Great pictures and story. You need to get an HD31 to really put those other crawlers in their place.
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darrel in ND
Orange Level Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8623 |
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Hey John, I beleive you would mean an "HD41". I think a "31" is non-existent. LOL! darrel
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JohnCO
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I thought about a 41 but considering what a job it is to move one... I was thinking there was an HD31, guess it's a 21.
It looks like the weather was beautiful for the show although I'm sure you wouldn't have minded too much if it had rained cats and dogs the whole time. |
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darrel in ND
Orange Level Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8623 |
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I could be wrong...maybe there was a 31. Now ya got me thinking. Maybe they should have made one. Darrel
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Lee Bradley
Bronze Level Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Location: Kingston, WA Points: 116 |
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HD 31 up Oregon way
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ac_sd
Silver Level Joined: 23 Apr 2011 Points: 194 |
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They sure did make an HD-31 which became the FA-31 after the Fiat-Allis Merger. I pulled 2 HD-41B's off the mountainside above Palm Springs about 10 years ago that had been sitting for some time. we used a D9D with my 15 year old Son operating it and a Case 1150 Track loader to maneuver it around the corners on the mountain dirt road. I'll post pictures later.
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ACcrazy
Silver Level Joined: 30 May 2012 Location: Eureka, Califor Points: 97 |
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Awesome! Can't wait to see the pics! |
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DiyDave
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 51372 |
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Ages Cat
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hutchinson, MN Points: 688 |
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Mel: Thank you for sharing this experience and the history of the tractor.
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darrel in ND
Orange Level Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8623 |
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Sorry John; I stand corrected. Darrel
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AC Mel
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Location: N.Ca. Points: 1101 |
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Ok, couple of things I can answer (got busy with our day job to pay bills)
Darrell Years ago we would use a couple of old aluminum truck wheels to jump up on a trailer that didn't even have a beavertail on it. With the ramps we've added in the last 20 years it's not a problem. Actually I worry more about what I'm going to break ,like something on the trailer or something on the tractor. Believe it or not some of these ACs are so well balanced that if you are real careful it will tip back just like a feather and rest easy. (but nooo I don't do that ,just go) JC, yes you read between the lines we have an HD20 that could deal those other 2 a quick dispatch. Don't know if it will be done in time. (heaven forbid if they offered a challenge) I'll try to post a picture soon. HD41 and HD31s were real tractors. I shouldn't say this out loud but we did visit with a gentleman at the logging show that has a HD41 in the Bay area that does not need it any more and thought maybe we should have it instead of the Chinese. We mostly discussed the moving costs that we could expect to incur. (probably the closest discussion we will have to owning one) |
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JohnCO
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992 |
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An HD41 would sure look good sitting in your yard, just saying........
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darrel in ND
Orange Level Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8623 |
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I am sure that a 41 would feel right at home in your yard! Darrel
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orangeman
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 1745 |
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Always amazed to see the effort that Mel and his crew put into these Old Allis Dozers.
Keep up the good work Mel, kids looked like they had lots of fun! Weather looked nice too, still snow here.
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hd16b
Silver Level Joined: 12 Jan 2011 Points: 88 |
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Mel,I fount a carco model j winch for my 16b. Are they manual shift or power shift?
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AC Mel
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Location: N.Ca. Points: 1101 |
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Doug, yes you need a powershift winch. Might be G80 let me do some checkin.
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