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Chuck...the Janitor 
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 Topic: just got allis chalmers 616
Posted: 03 Nov 2014 at 10:48am |
I finally have an AC mower...at least i did untill my son saw it. lol. got the beauty on trade Friday afternoon just in time for the winter chill and frost.haha. was to busy during the nicer part of this weekend helping my parents prep for new carpet to get to put it to work, but I did catch a little gawking time in between. I am good at over looking and would like to know where might the date of birth and/or the MFR number be located on these machines? I would like to locate a book for it and that number would help. 
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den/southern illinoi
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Posted: 03 Nov 2014 at 4:50pm |
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Serial number should be on the right hand side of the body. It would be right above your right foot when you're sitting on the tractor. It is a stick on emblem and if you happen to pressure wash over it...it most likely will blow off and away in pieces (don't ask how I know). Good machines. Den
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Brian-KS
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Posted: 03 Nov 2014 at 5:27pm |
That's cool! Looks like the boy will be taking over from here 
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Roach
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Posted: 03 Nov 2014 at 8:09pm |
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Looks like it is in great shape. Good find!!! Den is right about blowing off the sticker if you power wash it. Happened to me just today.... Fine looking next generation Allis fan setting on the 616.
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ACmowerguy
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Posted: 03 Nov 2014 at 9:41pm |
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Nice find!!
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10 various B-series garden tractors, AC Homesteader8, 416 hydro,710 gt, 914, 916H, 917H, 920D, and many misc attachments
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Chuck...the Janitor
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Posted: 04 Nov 2014 at 7:49am |
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A fella and his grandson from Martinsville In restored it a few years back, and they did a swell job. I am very proud to have it in my tractor family. Didn't get the pic took before he got his serious tractor operator face, but my son had as big a smile as i did when I first sat on it. He is also very attached to my wd and wd45. He is 3 and is already asking if we are going to paint them. lol.
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Steve Bright
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Posted: 04 Nov 2014 at 8:05am |
Chuck, I forgot to tell you that I have the serial number, When we painted the 616 my grandson pressure washer the tag off. I'll send you the number, We had planned to make a tag but never got around to it. Thanks, Steve
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Chuck...the Janitor
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Posted: 04 Nov 2014 at 10:30am |
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Thank you Steve! and thanks to all for the comments and info. kind of a bummer they made it that easy to destroy such important information. lol.
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macvette
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Posted: 04 Nov 2014 at 11:21pm |
Sure looks nice. Sure like my 620 even tho it isnt as pretty as your 616!
Congrats. From the looks of things, you won't have to worry about that tractor ever leaving your family!
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DK7166
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Posted: 15 Jul 2022 at 7:26pm |
Hello, I got a Allis-Chalmers 616 hydro last weekend from my father-in-law he needed help selling it and he is asking $600.00 and I don't know anything about Allis-Chalmers. It doesn't run at the moment and I don't know if that's a good price for it or not but, I want to get it running since it will turn over and run on starting fluid. I'm thinking it's something with the carburetor but I've never took one of these apart before. I've been trying to find a service manual for it I've found the operators manual. Every service manual I find someone wants some stupid price for it. I'm hoping I can find someone who will help me out and email me a service manual. I'm hoping someone can give me advice if it's worth $600 and email me the service manual. I tried to upload a picture but it wouldn't allow me but my email is below and yes this is one of my real emails I wasn't going to post my everyday personal email and I can send you pictures or send me service manual please and thanks everyone Email is snoopdeeznuts@yahoo.com
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AC720Man
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Posted: 15 Jul 2022 at 10:13pm |
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First off welcome to the site. The site has been hit by scammers lately so with you just joining it raises red flags. If your legitimate then you will get help here. Briefly, the Onan engine in the 616 requires a person with significant background of engine troubleshooting. If you have never taken a carb apart it can be difficult to understand how it works and to be able to correctly troubleshoot its issue if in fact the carburetor is the issue. Timing, points, condenser all have to be functioning and set correctly for it to run. At $600 that’s a good buy and well worth taking it to a qualified mechanic to get it running like it should.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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DK7166
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Posted: 16 Jul 2022 at 9:22am |
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I've took many carburetors apart and I'm a diesel mechanic but I've never worked on a Allis-Chalmers before. That's why I was hoping to find a service manual just to help me along and I'm not paying $60 for a dam service manual that I'll only need this one time. With the way dam gas prices are I can't afford to buy a service manual. I get it that I'm new and some people may think I'm a scam or whatever but I assure you I'm legit and just trying to get this old thing running. It's in great shape with the paint and little rust and it's all original. Thanks for the info though
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AC720Man
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Posted: 16 Jul 2022 at 11:49am |
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Didn’t me an to ruffle your feathers. I will gladly scan the area on the carb from my manual and send it to the email listed. From the sound of your post it appeared you were not mechanically inclined so my fault for assuming. If I had a pdf file I would send it but I don’t. Simplicity website used to have downloadable manuals on these, not sure if they still do.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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AcFordHawk
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Posted: 16 Jul 2022 at 9:41pm |
Just want to clarify the tractor model described in your post. An Allis Chalmers 616 Hydro lawn tractor is different than the Allis Chalmers 616/620/720 series sub compact tractor in the original first post here. Simplicity made the series and were also under their 4040/4041/9020 models.
This look like yours? Or like the original post?
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AC720Man
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Posted: 18 Jul 2022 at 7:20am |
My dad had one of those except his was the Deutz-Allis lime green version. At 6’2” he looked quite funny mowing with it lol. But it lasted for 20 plus years until a rod went through the side of the block. 
Edited by AC720Man - 18 Jul 2022 at 7:20am
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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DK7166
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Posted: 18 Jul 2022 at 9:14am |
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It's all good buddy you didn't ruffle no feathers. Sorry if I was being a ass hole wasn't trying to lol thanks
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AC720Man
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Posted: 18 Jul 2022 at 5:56pm |
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So which mower do you have? Big difference between the 2
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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Floydhsdad
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Posted: 16 Oct 2022 at 10:47am |
I've got an allis 616 hydro I've been having a bear of a time trying to find a decent value on it so I can sell it. It runs great cuts great I just bought a new mower. Any ideas which way to turn. Justliketheonein thepicture. 
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mnoonan-NEWI
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Posted: 16 Oct 2022 at 7:58pm |
If you join this Facebook group, you can download free manuals for the 616, 620, 720 series tractors and also get help:
Be sure to answer the 2 questions and agree to the rules otherwise you will be declined.
Edited by mnoonan-NEWI - 16 Oct 2022 at 8:01pm
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