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7040
Orange Level Joined: 11 Aug 2013 Location: newglarus wi Points: 418 |
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Posted: 17 Aug 2013 at 10:21pm |
putinq 426 back in myd21 thinking of going with a 2 disck clutch any suggestions would great thanks
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DrAllis
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 20528 |
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Why 2-disc ?? ...is this a Puller over 500 HP ??
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7040
Orange Level Joined: 11 Aug 2013 Location: newglarus wi Points: 418 |
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hoping 350+
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DrAllis
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When you get to the point of running 8th gear, you'll need a two disc clutch. Slower than that, a single disc can be made to work just fine. Modern day pulling sleds start easy and don't require a lot of clutch slipping.
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7040
Orange Level Joined: 11 Aug 2013 Location: newglarus wi Points: 418 |
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thanks I will putt in new disc and see what happens
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injpumpEd
Orange Level Access Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 4916 |
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we have here a heavy duty pressure plate, and clutch disc that was holding 500hp fine. We were required to have a steel flywheel, so we got a dual disc for that reason. Now, for safety reasons, if you're willing to buy the dual disc, and planning to continue upping the performance, just buy the dual disc and be done with it. I would have a little slippage with the single disc clutch. Other than some grinding in the bellhousing for clearance, the dual disc is something I wish I'd done a long time ago. Smooth launches, and no worrying about a cast iron flywheel coming apart and killing someone. If you're staying below 10mph, then single disc heavy duty will work, but anything faster really heats the flywheel up taking off. That heat is what makes flywheels explode! Kenny's pulling parts does a nice job on AC clutches, as well as Rursch. |
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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DougG
Orange Level Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 8108 |
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On a 2 disc setup id try to get a foot activated clutch and not a Crowler Slipper , reguardless id try to get a steel flywheel in there, as Ed ssid heat kills everything in there and as cast metal ages it becomes weaker , seems too any way
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cotncrzy
Orange Level Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: TENNESSEE Points: 599 |
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I cringed last night watching some modified allis tractors running big cube 6 cyl. engines turning 3000+ rpm with them old cast flywheels with the smoke rolling out of the bell housing. It's going to take someone getting hurt to get safety equipment on these classes I am afraid.
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C, WD45,WD puller, 185, 200, 7060 Red Belly, 7060 Black Belly,8010, and a R52 Gleaner, AND PROUD OF THEM!
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DrAllis
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You need more than just a new disc. You will need a new FOUR pad disc (not six) and then a pressure plate with stiffer or extra springs inside of your existing springs. I never said a truly stock clutch would hold 350 HP.
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DougG
Orange Level Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 8108 |
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I had a place make a single disc 4 pad plate with ceramic buttons , about a 100 ft I could see the dust coming from the housing ,they said it should hold up too 800 hp , it didn't slip , but the heat build up was too much , the pp just had single springs in it - then found a used Crowler 3 disc once its locked that baby wont slip !
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DrAllis
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All my pressure plates are sprung by myself. I use 6 feeder beater springs from a Gleaner L-2 combine and shove them inside of existing springs alongside each release finger. The Gleaner springs usually need to be shortened 1 1/2 coils to work properly. When starting the engine you'll want your foot off the clutch pedal so it cranks easier.
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DougG
Orange Level Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 8108 |
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Dang you can do almost anything withj Orange Dr A ! I never would've thought of that spring pressure !
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7040
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thanks for the info guys
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DougG
Orange Level Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 8108 |
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Atlas seems to be pretty popular
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