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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 5:25pm |
Hi Guys, can anyone answer what exactly is the differences between the 230 and 262? is it just the stroke on the crank which makes a 230 a 262?
Also if you have a 45D 230 /with a cracked block can you simply transfer the internals head and injection pump over to the 230 or 262?
Are there any pullers out there running 262 gasers what can you do this engine to increase the horsepower and RPMs.
Thanks, Jim
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 7:19pm |
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i have a 230 and i would also like to know the difference i believe it came out of a combine . Which tractor would it fit in or did they use a 230 in a tractor? thanks
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 7:21pm |
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The WD45 Diesel used the 230. No AC tractor used the 230 gas Cockshutt 40 used gas or diesel but it was a Buda, close cousin to the Allis Chalmers 230.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 7:40pm |
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I think the 230 and 262 engines are a buda. I was told there is a diference in the filter system from a 230 to the 262 diesels. Will fit but not corect.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 7:45pm |
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Also the Cockshutt 50 used a Buda 273 gas or diesel, the 273 is the same block as the 230 from what I understand.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 7:49pm |
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The 230 Buda used in WD45 diesels had a bore of 3 7/16, and a stroke of 4 1/8. The Buda 262 used in D17 diesels, D19 gas and diesels had a bore of 3 9/16, and a stroke of 4 3/8. So the 262 increased bore by 1/8 inch and stroke by 1/4 inch over the 230.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 7:52pm |
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The 273 Buda shares the crankshft with the 230 (4 1/8") but he bore is 3 3/4", so the blocks are not the same. Plus I believe the 273 may be a dry sleeve or no sleeve engine.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 8:08pm |
Thanks Guy's, now I clearly know the diffference internally. The combine 262 produced 93 hp more hp than the 262 in the D-19.
Jim
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 8:09pm |
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So has anybody bolted a 273 in a 45 yet?
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 8:13pm |
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The 273 is a parent bore block (no sleeves). I talked to a fellow who pulled a WD-45 diesel. He had a 273 block with a 262 crank for 291 cu.in. I think he said that he had to use a D-19 cam to get proper clearance. Jim, you need to find a Cocksutt 50 !!
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 8:17pm |
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I once bought a used 230 crank from Keith McClure from Big Praire OH (I belive that is correct), He was a past president of The International Cockshutt Club, He had lots of used 230 and 273 parts.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 9:16pm |
Hi Calvin, picked up a 230 out of a F100 forklift today just for the block and some external parts.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 9:20pm |
Calvin, are you saying use a 273 block,262 crank, D19 cam along with 262 head for a strong 291 gas engine?
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 9:29pm |
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Yes !!!! Go Jim Go !!!!
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Posted: 24 Jan 2010 at 6:26am |
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Jim, Allis sold the 273 engine for gensets as well as marine engines. I have literature for both. There was a 273 genset for sale at the GOTO in 06 at Hastings. It had a big inline injection pump. Thats what you need!
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Posted: 24 Jan 2010 at 6:54am |
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The G-262 used in later "C2" and early "F" Gleaner combines had a larger carburator on them (like a 190XT size) for the HP increase. The D19 gasser was 71 PTO hp (81 eng HP)....the combine is bare eng HP which will always be higher than PTO HP. The sleeveless 273 and 291 is what should have been used for the D19 turbo diesel engine (no sleeves to sink below the deck surface) but AC tractor engineers couldn't bring themselves to not having a wet-sleeve design in a farm tractor. As a result they had an engine that was short lived because the wet sleeve design was flawed with too little of a lip on the sleeve to hold it up when turbocharged. As a gasoline version, it was fine....a turbo-diesel was trouble.
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Posted: 24 Jan 2010 at 8:01am |
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Good information thanks guy's. Need to keep my eyes open for a sleeveless 273.
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Posted: 24 Jan 2010 at 8:16am |
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This is all good information. I s it a problem getting the 6 cyl engine in the 45? Bolt patterns, clutch, etc. bolt up ?
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Posted: 24 Jan 2010 at 1:05pm |
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Not at all just find a 262 out of a combine and get ahold of WD-45D adapter plate for the bell housing. You'll also need the desiel starter, flywheel, D-19 govenor, throttle linkage, 45D rad, Hood etcc... These are all the part I aquired over time to make the conversion real easy to do...
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Posted: 24 Jan 2010 at 3:30pm |
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Is itr possible to build a 291 diesel? If so what is needed?
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Posted: 24 Jan 2010 at 3:35pm |
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will the 230 gas fit into a d17 or d 19? or will it also fit into a 190xt of course it will be under powered if it would.
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Posted: 24 Jan 2010 at 3:55pm |
230 used the same block as the 262 so I don't see any reason why it wouldn't fit in a 17 or 19.
Will an adaptor plate off a Gleaner w/ a chevy engine allow you to mount a chevy into a 17 or simular tractor? If so then the obvious choice would be to slap a chevy 292 into a 17 or 19. If that works then even a V-8 conversion would be easy. Just think of the posibilities.
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Posted: 24 Jan 2010 at 3:56pm |
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One of the easiest to notice changes between the Buda 230 and the 262 is the oil filter(s). A 230 uses 2 of the bypass style filters like all of the bypass gas Allis engine uses. The 262 in the beginning used a canister type filter which was changed to a spin on later on.
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Posted: 24 Jan 2010 at 7:59pm |
All I did was use the adapter plate from the F combine that was on the 262. Borrowed the deseil plate from Calvin and laid it on top and drilled the required mounting holes for the WD45 bellhousing and she bolt right in...
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Posted: 24 Jan 2010 at 8:54pm |
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I have heard of a few guys doing this also. I have a friend with a wd45 diesel pulling around 70 hp with a few variations as mentioned above. He still has the stock block in his also. Tons of fun messing with that kind of stuff.
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Posted: 24 Jan 2010 at 9:08pm |
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I've been told the 273 would crack from the heat. It might be alright for pulling. I think that is why it's hard to find a 273 and not having to pay a fortune for one.
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Posted: 24 Jan 2010 at 9:16pm |
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The cam from a 230 will work in the 262 if you grind flat places on cam for the rods to clear the cam. MACK
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Posted: 21 Feb 2018 at 12:19am |
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Here is a thread about the 230 and the 262
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