does the 301 allis engine

have the same head bolt pattern as the 301 ih engine?

http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?3,136186

Not even close.

Rod B wrote: The reality is that Ed is smart enough to build an engine to turn those RPM's and make that kind of power. Building it large enough to do the job and small enough to hold up pauing attention to the details that make horsepower. The other difference is that Ed competes and shows us what he's got. I've pulled with him from time to time and he's a great individual. Not some smart talkin internet puller.

Rob they want people to post pictures of their pullers so why dont you post some.?  Heck mines on this site and several others granted its not as self immoratilized as wi does his but never the less .  230 cfm Wi 50 head =460 hp if he is on the same level as ed and his wc  want pull 3 rd gear 5500 lbs . 200 hp in a wd will .  I think we can smell

Edited by mlpankey - 25 Sep 2012 at 10:58am

genetics to sniff out bs . ok 260 *2 =520 hp . That should still pull third gear at 5500  after all 200 hp in a wd will 200 in a olie 77 will pull 5th gear. tractor pullin and drag racing are the same the more horses you have the less mechanical advantage from gearing is needed  . kinetic energy . Genetics is that why you and wi can not get 2 hp per cfm like ed is that what i missed?

Edited by mlpankey - 25 Sep 2012 at 1:42pm

Rod B wrote: Why not do something and show us?

That's  interesting, my experiance is more on round tracks and we not only had to be running at the end of  a 25 lap feature  we had to be in front of everybody else and even then somebody else declared us the winner or loser.  I must check out this pulling thing,,,, build a grenade and get pushed on the trailer and you get to declare yourself the winner? Wow!

CALM DOWN BOYS!!!!!!!  Ive wished for this forum for a long time, NO BASHING,            Bob C 

mlpankey wrote: That happpens when ones not timid or to cheap to go all out.

So that's what you call it. Going all out must mean useing junkyard rods and heavy pistons. Drilling a cam full of holes to try and justify not knowing basic geometry.

I'm not knocking on anyone (nor bashing) for trying, but thinking you went all out when all you did was scrap togather a time bomb is much different than the caliber of builds you dream of. That's why some guys have fun pulling and others sit behind the keyboard.

I tend to think of engineering as the prevention of failure.

I'm with BOB C.....

mlpankey wrote: Rod B wrote: The reality is that Ed is smart enough to build an engine to turn those RPM's and make that kind of power. Building it large enough to do the job and small enough to hold up pauing attention to the details that make horsepower. The other difference is that Ed competes and shows us what he's got. I've pulled with him from time to time and he's a great individual. Not some smart talkin internet puller. Rob they want people to post pictures of their pullers so why dont you post some.?  Heck mines on this site and several others granted its not as self immoratilized as wi does his but never the less .  230 cfm Wi 50 head =460 hp if he is on the same level as ed and his wc  want pull 3 rd gear 5500 lbs . 200 hp in a wd will .  I think we can smell

Judging by your post pankey you have no knowledge of gear ratios from a wc to a wd. You also have no knowledge of cylinder head configuration effecting power output. Claiming you do is pointless after makeing statements like quoted.

What is your problem with WI? I didn't even mention him and you're off on some BS tangent. You've got some serious jealousy and personal issues to resolve by yourself. Otherwise why make the refrence to him or any of his work?

Relax boys. I'm only pointing out the obvious. Maybe pank can post us some results and pictures. Possiably if he thinks real hard he can rember what heads do fit the 301. It's been covered here before.

why is it we have to put up with the jr high school bickering between you guys  QUIT THE BICKERING BETWEEN YOURSELVES lots of us look to you all for advice but when you all start bickering we lose faith in your wisdom   SO STOP PLEASE LOTS OF US NEED YOU GUYS

Oh I'm not bickering. I'm useing this thread to teach more lessons. Pankey is claiming that 1 cfm of cylinder head flow is worth 2 hp of crankshaft power output. He seen some numbers and got excited. He claims it works on a 6 cyl IH and on a 4 cyl Allis.

So in pankey math 1 = 2 no matter what. If you don't beleve me read through the thread. In the real world it's not true. Many other factors effect power output. As I stated one of the major ones is cylinder head configuration. One other major and most basic factor is the engines NUMBER OF CYLINDERS. Would a 4 cylinder engine make the same power as an 8 cylinder if the head was identical?

If pankey ever wants to be a competitive tractor puller he's going to need to learn a thing or two more about engines, starting at the most basic level. Not to mention his misconception of gear ratios and the difference in them. A lot of times when an engine has high flow numbers and high RPM they actually pull in a SLOWER gear. But 6700 RPM in a 40 to 1 gear will go faster than 3000 RPM in a 35 to 1 gear even though both engines are makeing similar horsepower the torque output is much different.

Edited by Rod B - 02 Oct 2012 at 5:29am

I seen yours and 8 mph is a far cry from what you're boasting. So show us!   Sled size, chain angle and track conditions are a huge part of speed.

Those of you looking for help should thank Wi50, Rod, Butch, Mack, Dr Allis.... Dont believe everything you read on the internet. Get out to local pulls and talk to the guys that are doing it.