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R.W 
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 Topic: Best Allis for beginner pulling?
Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 12:00pm |
I kinda sorta want to get into pulling, but I don't want to spend a whole lot of money in doing so. I'm looking to pull in the "stock" classes. I'm trying to figure out what A-C is the best choice for "stock" pulling. I'm kinda looking at WC's or WD45's, something in the lower price range. I would like the tractor to still be a use-able farm tractor as well as being able to compete in pulls. I like the WC's because they are simple with no extra frills. Though I would think a WD45 would compete well in the 4500# class with few mods. So what do you guys think?
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Charlie175
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Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 1:20pm |
Around here the 4000 to 7000 classes are full of "Nicely" running tractors while the 3000 to 4000 lb class is pretty thin.
For my opinion: 2500 I pick the C (3000 max) 2800 to 3500 I pick the CA 3000 to 4000 I pick the WC 4000 to 4500 I pick the WD45
Depends on what class(s) you want to aim for, what you have to transport it with, and money for mods/weights. The WD45 competes pretty darn good across the board if it has a "fresh" engine, I think you can pull it up to 6000 lbs if you have enough weights.
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Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 1:25pm |
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first thing first is to get with the sled owners and organizations and check on rules.. nothing more fustrating than showing up and they bump u to a class your not ready for.. this will help you decide your tractor to best choose.. maybe you have smaller sleds in your area and can get away with #3200 class and have some fun with a wc ? good luck hope you find your tractor of choice..
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Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 2:14pm |
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Right on Charllie. Who is saying what is stock????
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Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 2:15pm |
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D21! LOL! May be hard to get light enough for the classes you mentioned though!
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Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 2:45pm |
WildBill has a good point on Sled size.
My B pulls good on the small sleds, but the full size sleds give me fits and are not much fun. Same with the D17.
Randy, take your B to the pulls and have fun and learn. I am still learning a lot with my B
Soon enough the bug will catch you and your stock tractor will not be enough, bigger tires, more power,....then Diesels...turbos....smoke!
Edited by Charlie175 - 24 Sep 2012 at 2:45pm
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Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 2:51pm |
This is a link to the "stock" class rules for the only show I currently go to that has a pull. It looks like 4500# is the lightest class. Would a WC compete in this class? http://www.nationalthreshers.com/images/show%20information/MVP%20Rules%20DIV1.pdf
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Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 2:55pm |
 Charlie175 wrote:
WildBill has a good point on Sled size.
My B pulls good on the small sleds, but the full size sleds give me fits and are not much fun. Same with the D17.
Randy, take your B to the pulls and have fun and learn. I am still learning a lot with my B
Soon enough the bug will catch you and your stock tractor will not be enough, bigger tires, more power,....then Diesels...turbos....smoke!
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Good point, I would consider my B to be pretty healthy and it has decent tires. Now you got me thinkin! Haha
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Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 3:50pm |
RW , THE WC WILL PULL IN THAT CLASS BUT YOU WILL RUN OUT OF POWER STOCK.. WILL NEED SOME WORK ON THE ENGINE AND SOME WEIGHT..I ADVISE TO GET A LARGER CARB FIRST GET HER RUNNING WELL MAKE SURE THE DRAW BAR IS SET RIGHT WITH YOUR ORGANIZATION THEN GET SOME WEIGHTS .. YOU CAN GO PULLING AND GET A FEEL FOR THE SLED .. TAKE PERSONAL NOTES WHEN YOU HOOK.. THIS WAS MY DOWN FALL AND WAS TO EXCITED TO PAY ATTNETION TO THE CHAIN LENGTH AND HOW THE TRACK CONDITION WAS ... ITS FUN TO LISTEN TO THEN NEW PULLERS AND HOPE THIS GETS PASSED DOWN TO OTHER GENERATIONS..! CHARLIE 175 HAS GREAT INFO ALSO IN PAST THREADS...
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Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 4:25pm |
That is pretty much the same rules I pull with except we use 20" drawbar. You would need a 226 block on that WC I would think. 1st gear on WC's are not low enough for the power they came with for pulling
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Charlie
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Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 5:59pm |
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use a wc put a rc rearend and a d 17 or e gleaner engine n and you wont have any problems pulling 3200 3500 4000 4500
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Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 9:11pm |
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first mistake is "want to pull with and use for farming"
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Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 9:58pm |
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If you find a rc rear differential, take the time and put the ring and pinion into a wc carrier. Rc carrier is short the rear support bearing for the pinion gear. The other oiption is to find a wc high crop rearend which should have the slower gear ratio like a rc but proper pinion support. GO BIG ORANGE!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 4:10pm |
richfarmsystem wrote:
first mistake is "want to pull with and use for farming"
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I think I know what your saying, but I don't see a reason you can't pin a clevis on a WD45 and go have a little fun pulling. Then when home, take the clevis off and go back to work. This is the reason I want to pull in "stock" classes.
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Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 4:39pm |
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I agree most of us on this site are engine gu- ru's and want to hop it up for u. Lol just take time for good chassis set up then go have a blast pulling!! Shoot more contestants helps build your local pulling organization . " give her the onion ". Lol
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Allis fan for life ! B,C,2-WC'S,WD45G,D19G,190xt ,LLSS 8010, terra tiger refurbished
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 6:50pm |
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Thanks Bill, I think I'll keep my eye out for a WD45 as they seem to have the best power for their size. Thanks again to all you guys!
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Posted: 03 Oct 2012 at 6:38pm |
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Just a little update, I was reading some local pull rules and some "not all" require the operator to be at least 16. As much as I would like to find a tractor, I think I will just keep it as a spectator sport for now.
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Posted: 03 Oct 2012 at 8:56pm |
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A good running 45 will be fun for ya randy.
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Posted: 04 Oct 2012 at 1:23pm |
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Charlie
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Posted: 27 Oct 2012 at 5:45pm |
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I have a wc with a gleaner engine in it ready to pull for 1500 if your interested
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Posted: 27 Oct 2012 at 6:41pm |
Nice pic Charlie! Looks like fun to me!
Colroy, I'll kindly decline your offer. 1300 miles round trip is quite a drag with the price of diesel.
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Posted: 27 Oct 2012 at 10:39pm |
WC with a stock block, a stock WD45 crankshaft and stock WD flat top pistons will make more power than a stock WD45 and all the parts were available from the dealer.  I know of stock appearing MMUB blocks that have been bored out and had Allison aircraft pistons installed with special made rods, stroked crank and run around 800 cubic inches instead of 350 or whatever the UB had. This engine will turn 150HP on a dyno running at stock RPM.
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Posted: 28 Oct 2012 at 8:23pm |
Danged things sound like a locomotive at idle too!
CTuckerNWIL wrote:
I know of stock appearing MMUB blocks that have been bored out and had Allison aircraft pistons installed with special made rods, stroked crank and run around 800 cubic inches instead of 350 or whatever the UB had. This engine will turn 150HP on a dyno running at stock RPM.
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