B Model Tire

I have a b and the big nut that holds the tire on is loose. My dad died and I'm trying to get the tractor going. I looked through all his tools and I can't find anything big enough to fit.

A friend said to try a monkey wrench but I don't know if my dad had one. Can anyone help. How do you get a picture next to your name? Thanks

You could make a wrench to fit or maybe borrow something but you may find one of the more common problems with the B after 60-70 years. The axle is a tapered spline and if things wear enough, you can bottom the hub out on the shoulder and it won't be tight. Some fixes are to shim the spline, cut the shoulder back, or you can epoxy the thing together.
To put a picture by your name you go to your profile page and add or edit your avatar. It needs to be a small enough picture or it won't work. There are some pre-set avatars or you can google search avatars and make your own. I did mine and then somebody on this page made it into a gif file so it strummed the G tar but I lost that some time back.
Welcome to the BEST tractor sight on the web and good luck with the B. Maybe some others will have a better answer for the wrench but a big pipe wrench might work or you can use a hammer and a heavy piece of flat stock as a punch and just pound on it radially.
Good luck with it. Charlie

Edited by CTuckerNWIL - 19 Jan 2012 at 1:04pm

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Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF

I know we are all hoping that the spline is not repeat NOT worn out.
We all have to remember - including me - that even though it seems like - to me - just yesterday, the B was made from 1937 - 1957. Things that NEVER happened when I sold them are very apparent today because of age, misuse, and neglect.
In any event, this is my FAVORITE Allis Chalmers Tractor and I sincerely hope you will find that the nut will tighten and all will be right.
Let us know how it goes.
Good Luck!
Bill Long
ps: I cannot remember ever having to tighten the nut.

It weighs about 5 lbs.....

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About just as many Bs left out there have one or both axle splines worn from running them with a loose nut as there are those that are still tight and unworn. The degree of ware determines the choice of a fix. Where water and rust has gotten the best of the splines they are pretty much junk.

Those axle threads are real fine. I was unfortunate enough strip most of them off a axle when trying to remove a stuck nut using heat. Now when I run into a stuck nut I cut the nut off and replace it with new 1/14 hex lock nut from Fastenall. A 37145 is the Fastenall number.

Another nut just like the odd shaped outside nut is on the other end of the axle. They are usually real nice and greasy and easy to break loose with the right tool. They hold the tapered spline bull gear to the axle. Glenn's special tool won't work on the inside nut.

Thanks everyone, my friend brought over some big pipe wrenches last night and we got the nut tight.

Ken,

This 1 3/8" by 2 1/4" wrench is for the inside nut..... I am trying to build the worlds largest collection of custom tools to be used on the B tractors.... LOL Glenn

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	I have a b and the big nut that holds the tire on is loose. My dad died and I'm trying to get the tractor going. I looked through all his tools and I can't find anything big enough to fit. A friend said to try a monkey wrench but I don't know if my dad had one. Can anyone help. How do you get a picture next to your name? Thanks

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GlenninPA Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ashley, PA Points: 5054	Post Options Post Reply Quote GlenninPA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2012 at 12:57pm
	Later today, I will show you all a picture of the socket my friend made me for these nuts. I am out of town and won't be able to take the picture until tonight. There is a cornpicker wrench that fits them I think. I know Fred had one at one time..................
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CTuckerNWIL Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22825	Post Options Post Reply Quote CTuckerNWIL Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2012 at 1:03pm
	You could make a wrench to fit or maybe borrow something but you may find one of the more common problems with the B after 60-70 years. The axle is a tapered spline and if things wear enough, you can bottom the hub out on the shoulder and it won't be tight. Some fixes are to shim the spline, cut the shoulder back, or you can epoxy the thing together. To put a picture by your name you go to your profile page and add or edit your avatar. It needs to be a small enough picture or it won't work. There are some pre-set avatars or you can google search avatars and make your own. I did mine and then somebody on this page made it into a gif file so it strummed the G tar but I lost that some time back. Welcome to the BEST tractor sight on the web and good luck with the B. Maybe some others will have a better answer for the wrench but a big pipe wrench might work or you can use a hammer and a heavy piece of flat stock as a punch and just pound on it radially. Good luck with it. Charlie Edited by CTuckerNWIL - 19 Jan 2012 at 1:04pm
	http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF

Ted in NE-OH Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Austinburg OH Points: 1703	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ted in NE-OH Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2012 at 2:25pm
	Ues a pipe wrench.
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Bill Long Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bel Air, MD Points: 4556	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bill Long Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2012 at 3:19pm
	I know we are all hoping that the spline is not repeat NOT worn out. We all have to remember - including me - that even though it seems like - to me - just yesterday, the B was made from 1937 - 1957. Things that NEVER happened when I sold them are very apparent today because of age, misuse, and neglect. In any event, this is my FAVORITE Allis Chalmers Tractor and I sincerely hope you will find that the nut will tighten and all will be right. Let us know how it goes. Good Luck! Bill Long ps: I cannot remember ever having to tighten the nut.

GlenninPA Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ashley, PA Points: 5054	Post Options Post Reply Quote GlenninPA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2012 at 9:28pm
	This is my socket for removing/tightening these wheel nuts.... 1/2 inch drive, works good on a big breaker bar or an impact wrench.
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GlenninPA Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ashley, PA Points: 5054	Post Options Post Reply Quote GlenninPA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2012 at 9:29pm
	It weighs about 5 lbs.....
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Wes (VA) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Elkton, VA Points: 510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wes (VA) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2012 at 10:35pm
	Wow Glenn..I've got tool envy..haha

Ken in Texas Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Henderson, TX Points: 5919	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ken in Texas Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jan 2012 at 8:25am
	About just as many Bs left out there have one or both axle splines worn from running them with a loose nut as there are those that are still tight and unworn. The degree of ware determines the choice of a fix. Where water and rust has gotten the best of the splines they are pretty much junk. Those axle threads are real fine. I was unfortunate enough strip most of them off a axle when trying to remove a stuck nut using heat. Now when I run into a stuck nut I cut the nut off and replace it with new 1/14 hex lock nut from Fastenall. A 37145 is the Fastenall number. Another nut just like the odd shaped outside nut is on the other end of the axle. They are usually real nice and greasy and easy to break loose with the right tool. They hold the tapered spline bull gear to the axle. Glenn's special tool won't work on the inside nut.

GlenninPA Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ashley, PA Points: 5054	Post Options Post Reply Quote GlenninPA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jan 2012 at 8:27am
	That is where Fred's cornpicker wrench works really good.... LOL
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BillyW. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 19 Jan 2012 Location: Clifton Park NY Points: 22	Post Options Post Reply Quote BillyW. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jan 2012 at 11:48am
	Thanks everyone, my friend brought over some big pipe wrenches last night and we got the nut tight.

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	To make it more convenient, when I had mine off, I welded a 1 5/8 hex head nut to each one and I use a 3/4 drive handle (with extension if required) with 1 5/8 hex socket. This overcomes the depression that it is nested into the tire edge.
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GlenninPA Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ashley, PA Points: 5054	Post Options Post Reply Quote GlenninPA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Feb 2012 at 3:25pm
	Ken, This 1 3/8" by 2 1/4" wrench is for the inside nut..... I am trying to build the worlds largest collection of custom tools to be used on the B tractors.... LOL Glenn
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norm[ind] Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 29 Oct 2010 Location: bourbon,ind Points: 2992	Post Options Post Reply Quote norm[ind] Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Feb 2012 at 7:05pm
	picture of your wrench was made for the mtd. corn pickers had many for the slip clutches