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    Posted: 01 Sep 2011 at 2:03pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuswWf1kp7E&feature=related

PAY ATTENTION TO HOW THE BLADE IS RAISED AND LOWERED. Tad




who has more fun than people on AC tractors????
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Seen pictures before but never seen one for real. Looks like some engineers dream but mechanics nightmare .
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Here is a HD5G running at top RPM and just scraping up a bucket.
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A wonderful bit of dozer engineering? I am very grateful though that AC chose to use Baker straight blades and retain their design after they bought Baker. Nothing else in the business boils and rolls clay like a AC/Baker
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HD7 with a 3-71 Detroit. Seems hyd hoses are optional if you leave them hang over blade. Also watching this operator on use of main clutch tells me someone will be replacing it before to long. Must be first time he has run machine.
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Coke, I think it is the guys first time at running a dozer, he has 4 or 5 other videos and you can tell that he is learning, he picked a tough one to learn on but he will be a better operator for it. Love the HD5, I would like to find a narrow 5 or 6 locally to replace the 500 or maybe a TD6  that I could do a Perkins or John Deere engine conversion, there was actually a kit made for Canadian and British TD6's to install the Perkins. There are a number of HD5's here close by that have had the 3-71 conversion, boy does that make a runner, especially for a farming tractor. My HD7 has what I think is a Garwood Blade with tilt, not to bad a tractor, My neighbor was going to scrap it and a Case 480 backhoe, when I asked him about the hoe he said get it out of here and you have to take the Cat also, so I did, I drove them both home!!!!!!
Who has more fun that people on AC tractors?? Thanks; Tad

it was cold that day

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Edited by Tad Wicks - 01 Sep 2011 at 9:40pm
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Coke, how does one go about getting a video embedded the way you do, instead of a link??  Tad
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Coke, that 5G looks identical to mine, cept I don't have the cable winch on the back. Cool videos, thanks. Darrel
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Notice the back of the truck with the HD5B and the trailer with dolly axle and the HD21.
 
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Iv seen pictures of them but never a video.
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Tad, wait for a narrow Allis to come up. If buy Cyrus H`s damn tractors (TD6), you will be wishing you never had after u do supposedly simple jobs like steering clutches.
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Mac,  I grew up on Red and Yellow, my first farm tractor was TD-14 when I was 17 years old. I dubbed it the 13 lettered S.O.B., it went to scrap a few years back and I was glad to see it go. I have been a mobile mechanic for the last 30 years, plus custom harvesting and farming and having a fabrication and machine shop, I think I still have grouser marks across my knees from the 13 lettered SOB and all other makes, Cat is not any better, you need a 100 ton press to check the oil. I really did like the IH TD15 151 and I still have one, the 18 wasn't to bad either not as nice to run as D6 or 7. I have done clutches on IH 6 9 14 15 18, HD9,11 and Cat D6&7 and I can tell you , none of them are easy, just some easier than others, the 9 and 11 being by far the easiest that is why I made the switch to Persian Orange, they are just by far, an easier unit to maintain. The narrow 5 or 6 might be a bit big for my vineyard, 10 foot rows on 50% slopes and head trained vines just does not leave much room, I am using a IH500E that is about the right size, so a TD6 would be close to that, I have thought about a narrow D4 6U but I don't think much of a D4 or a D2 from a mechanics point and I can't stand the pony motor. The one tractor that I have never been around is the HD3, that perks my interest, because I need 3 point and pto and some of them came that way. The TD6 and 9 were pretty much the tractor of choice by the walnut growers on the West side of Paso Robles for years, and that is some steep, steep ground, they just seemed to perform better than anything else, even though they broke heads constantly.
 I don't know what I am going to do yet, the easiest thing is get rid of the grapes :-) There were a lot of HD15's and 16's in the area, many people tried to run them with the 2U and 13A D8's, they had the power but not the weight and many people did not like the Detroit engine, but they were happy to cuss and crank on a damp pony motor and tell me what a POS the AC's were. Everyone can have there own opinion and we know what they say about that. :-)  Tad


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I thought that I would try and embed the video of my HD7 and some of the 11 before and after  paint
Thanks for the help Coke



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Bought the HD5G and then was looking for dozer and bought a D6-9U and had that for 3 years and learned all about repair, engine, steering clutches, transmission, then front ideler, track changed to D5 , segmented sprockets welded to D6 sprocket spokes , rear seals, and ring and pinion and another trany .. then traded for a HD4 as could not afford the D6 any longer .. Then HD5B dozer and tracks and final on one side and replace axle. 
 Will say the HD4 and HD5B went down the road also and now the FD5 / FiatAllis dozer sure beats the old Cat or the HD4 or 5B.. Still like the HD5G though I bought in 1972.
 Sweet sounding 6V71. Was looking at a HD19 with a 8V71 in it that construction company uses as a scraper push machine . Lot of engine in old iron.  
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I had done steering clutches and other rebuilding on my first tractor (HD6) many years ago when I did clutches on my brothers TD6. Compared to the AC, his TD6 was just a nightmare to pull clutch pack/brake drum from. On reassembly found the bolt hole spacings in clutch and drum to hubs not even, but timed. Was then I realised how guys end up in therapy sessions at institutions like the ones with nurse Ratchet on the movie One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest - They had all been working on IH crawlers
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No doubt when working on 13 lettered SOB's one does seem to conjure up a new vocabulary and you start inventing new words and have a new found appreciation for the folks that built them and how you wish they were there at the time and how far a greasy breaker bar could be fitted into their anatomy (insert smiley face here). The trick on the TD 6 and 9, is there is a specially built tool (homemade) to compress the clutch pack and then they come right out and yes the drum is timed to the driving flange on all IH models, I have no idea why and the fact that you have to completley deck them including trans lid and levers is way beyond me. I suppose they all have good things and bad things, it just seems as though the 13 lettered SOB's have more bad things. Tad
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About 6 months ago I was talking to my bosses dad who is 73 and he was telling me about a HD9 that the whole engine lifted with the blade,and I've been trying to find a picture and now here it is. He has even run one said they were great for digging basements. The video on utube says there were only 5 made. At that time he knew of 2 in this area.
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Huh,I've got two TD9s and a TD14a,they always run,the 9s pull good for they're size and the 14 has good balance for a gutless dog.

So far I haven't got my only AC running yet,I found a mag,and once I come up with some manifolds (or $850 for repros) I'll get to play with it...can't hardly wait.
(it's a Model M crawler with darn good swap tracks on it)


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I was working on a job and the owners neighbor asked if it was OK if he pushed some of the hill I was going to cut down.  He came over with a TD14 and started working for couple hours , I then started on it with my FD5 and after a little he just gave up with the TD14 and said he would just watch a dozer work ..  
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Bwaahahah! Coke,you know they always use the equipment as an excuse.
I've never tried a FD5,I'm sure it's a great machine,no doubt better than a TD14...but a TD14 ain't as bad as some.

When I first started trying to push stuff around with a dozer I had a heck of a time,but eventually ya learn.
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I think I read in Norm's Construction book that the whole dozer and blade lifting was a Baker design.......

Tad I like your comment on it easier to get rid of the grapes, reminds me of my dad. When any of the haying equipment went down when I was a kid, I would ask dad "What do we do now dad?" His Response....."QUIT FARMING!!!!!"
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Don, if I was ever a million dollars ahead, I would probably farm until it was all gone (insert smiley face here) , that being said, I will never have to worry about being ''ahead'' much less a million ahead, so I will just farm broke, with old toys, most every thing I have out-dates me or so it seems, but the best part, it's all paid for. My most favorite saying for this area is  " THIS IS THE BEST NEXT YEAR COUNTRY THERE IS'' (put another smiley face here) the other saying is "WE MIGHT HAVE TO SELL THE FARM TO FUND OUR ADDICTION''    all in fun, Thanks; Tad
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You guys are awesome, really good reads about old dozers.  Wish I could chime in but all I got is some ol gas H-3's that still need the engines put back in.  Am looking to join the HD6 G club.  Those tractomotive loaders where hell for stout!
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orangeman, it doesn't matter if you have an HD41 or a remote controlled model dozer (manufacture of your choosing) notice I said model instead of toy(I will get back to that in a bit)anyway, it is not the machine, but the person willing to participate that makes this site a fun thing to do and don't let anyone tell you different. Now  "model vs toy" I build working models when I have spare time, check out this video of my model hit and miss, it took three years to build, all my own design. .750X.750 bore/stroke, built from scratch, I made everything there (including the spark plug) but the spark and ignition wire. Nowdays you can go buy a kit to build something similar for next to nothing with all the thinking done for you, I believe it took away from the craft. I have stills of a tractor/combine that I have been working on for some time also. Tad



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ya'll are very talented people! i owned an HD5 track loader for a couple years, i had to remove an old farmstead and do some other dirt work around the farm...i had never run a tracked unit in my life! at first it was touch and go, but caught on pretty fast! never had a break down with it! i bought it, did the work and sold it for what i paid for it! now i wish i would have kept it for a farm tractor! it had a 3-71 in it that ran perfect! and always started when it was cold...without ether or starting fluid! i was happy with it, as i did about $50,000 of work with it, after buying it for $2000. my bucket was bigger than the one shown in that 2nd video at the top of this page!
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Yep, ya shoulda kept that gem Dale, especially bein hotrodded with a good 371. woulda been a very strong little loader.    Mac
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