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    Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 9:25pm
I found this today.  Discontinue the orange, then move manufacturing from France back to North America?!  What's up with that??
 
Agco Corp. (AGCO) intends to build more of its farm tractors in the U.S. as part of its ongoing campaign to raise its profile and profit in North America.

North America accounts for 20% of Agco's total sales, but profits from the region have been miniscule, at best. Agco lost money in North America in three of the past six years. The Georgia-based company, whose brands include Massey Ferguson and Challenger, imports most of the high-horsepower tractors it sells in North America from France. Shipping costs and a stronger euro against the U.S. dollar add to the cost of Agco's tractors, forcing the company to trim its profit margin to remain competitive in the market.

Moreover, the company acknowledges that farmers' perception of Agco as a foreign brand also contributes to Agco being a distant third in the U.S. market behind Deere & Co. (DE) and CNH Global N.V., the maker of Case IH and New Holland farm equipment.

"We think it will help us to be closer to the market by having local production of high-horsepower tractors," Chief Financial Officer Andy Beck said in an interview with Dow Jones Newswires. "There'll be an ability to market tractors a little more aggressively and customers will like that they are made in the U.S. and in particular the Midwest."

Beginning later this year, Agco will transfer assembly of wheeled tractors to its plant in Jackson, Minn., from its Beauvais, France factory. Partially completed Massey Ferguson 8600 Series tractors and Challenger MT600C Series tractors will initially be shipped from France to Jackson for final assembly. Over time, more assembly work will be done at Jackson and the company will gradually replace European-made parts and component for the tractors with a U.S.-based supply chain, Beck said.

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From what I have heard, the major reason for moving the production of the 8600 series MF's as well as the wheel based Challenger models back to North America was because AGCO wants the dealers to get the tractors on the dealers lots quicker in North America instead of waiting for them to arrive in port from over seas and then trucked out to the dealers. I guess it was getting pretty expensive to ship the tractors over from Europe. It seems like they are going after the North American market with this move. Still I am disapointed in Agco dropping the Orange tractors! I wish they could have paid royalties to AC energy and put the "Allis -Chalmers" name back on the DT-B series when they were released but whats done is done. I hope they can hold on the Gleaner brand for a few more yrs but I got a bad feeling that Gleaner will be next.
 
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Funny thing is, it won't make a bit of difference to me as long as they continue to be bullheaded about their brand choices. I have tried the Challenger route, and it just can't compare to dealing with my regular dealer. I refuse to go the Massey route due to perception of the brand. If I had wanted massey stuff, I would have searched it out. Trying to force the issue on me just makes me more determined to stand my ground.

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 I couldnt care less where they move it to. I am not interested in a Massey or Challenger,if they were made in Willow Hill,ILL right beside my farm. They have nothing I am interested in,in the tractor line. Congrats to the Mn. people more jobs
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Moreover, the company acknowledges that farmers' perception of Agco as a foreign brand also contributes to Agco being a distant third in the U.S. market behind Deere & Co. (DE) and CNH Global N.V., the maker of Case IH and New Holland farm equipment.

"We think it will help us to be closer to the market by having local production of high-horsepower tractors," Chief Financial Officer Andy Beck said in an interview with Dow Jones Newswires. "There'll be an ability to market tractors a little more aggressively and customers will like that they are made in the U.S. and in particular the Midwest."      
Yeah, and maybe if they hadn't dropped their most popular line of tractors in NA. sales might be better.
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I don't buy the "lost money in the US" statement.  Everyone knows how to manipulate their financial documents to show the money where they want it too.  Wanna bet all those VP and CEO salaries were paid from the monies made in the US?  How about R&D?  Did the mighty European market pay for the bulk of that?  Being a US based company that has to pay taxes here their over seas profits used to not be taxed, I believe.  I think that will change.

I'm a big made in USA guy so I applaud AGCO moving production back to the US.  But their models are too big for me and I wouldn't buy a Challenger or MF anyway.  I was a fool for believing that AGCO would make orange tractors as long as we bought them but I bought my made in France tractor because I thought they would.  If I would've bought a tractor solely because it was made in US I would've bought a Deere. 
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"Agco Corp. (AGCO) intends to build more of its farm tractors in the U.S. as part of its ongoing campaign to raise its profile and profit in North America. "
 
AGCO..so smart and so stupid at the same time....They now realize that "Made in USA" means something to the US farmer but painting and labeling it with a foreign name means nothing?

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AGCO fooled all of us, farmers and collectors alike. They said the orange going to be around for awhile and then dropped it. Yes  Made in the US is important to people now because we're are tired of no count foriegn crap, but i think that AGCO is going say "oh we know the orange tractor operartors are upset about discontinuing the orange but now the MFs are going to be made in the us, so that should patch everything up". AGCO should have been making tractors in the US at least 10 years ago. Dumb question now, where was the the AGCO ALLIS tractors made after AGCO bought out Duetz?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JohnCO Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Feb 2011 at 10:14am
Weren't the bigger ones built in the US after the buyout?  I know they bought midsize tractors from SAME and did they still have a working agreement with Fiat?
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Production on the 9100 series 88-93 was in Coldwater (White),  then Agco poured a few million into the old AC Independence (Gleaner) in 94  to update for tractor production on 9600 series, then in 98 or so production was moved to France. They have been doing strange things since day one. pour all that money in that plant for maybe 4 years of production.
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Hey Daehler, Agco didn't fool me.  Never did think they were anything.
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I only like tractors that are made in West Allis, WI., Moline Ill., or Horicon, WI (for Lawn/Garden Tractors)
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I thought they made some out of the gleaner plant, now i got to buy one, lol. Made only a hour away driving a combine. I like all the models, (even the ones from france) just so its orange and has Allis or AGCO one the side, color and name is everything. AGCO is Allis to me.
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They probably got tax abaitment in Minn.
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Yes when you think about it, those 9600 series built in the mid nineties were as close to AC as it gets,  they were built in a former AC plant, by mostly former AC people and painted AC colors,  and to think some members say the last ALLIS tractor was built in 85. Yes i know there was a lot of White design in those, but there is nothing wrong with White, id still take that name over a Massey or Challenger.    
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Heres to the WHITE name instead!
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Yep we farmed with WHITE's, dang good tractors
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JR Maley. I also like the ones made in Gadsden, Alabama. Bob@allisdowneast
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Originally posted by gleaner1 gleaner1 wrote:

Yes when you think about it, those 9600 series built in the mid nineties were as close to AC as it gets,  they were built in a former AC plant, by mostly former AC people and painted AC colors,  and to think some members say the last ALLIS tractor was built in 85. Yes i know there was a lot of White design in those, but there is nothing wrong with White, id still take that name over a Massey or Challenger.    
  
 
 
True, the Agco 9600 series were as close to the former AC as possible and the Orange paint on the Agco 9600 series was very close to the AC colors. The Agco 9600's were a darker shade of orange when they left the plant. So in a way, the last true AC tractor was built in 85, even though the Agco 9600 series were a great tractor as well.
 
In all honesty, I think the color scheme of the Agco DT- B series was much closer to the orginal AC color then what the Agco 9600 series were. Just my my opnion though and not knocking the 9600 series.
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Originally posted by Bob-Maine Bob-Maine wrote:

JR Maley. I also like the ones made in Gadsden, Alabama. Bob@allisdowneast

Same here!  I'd love to see  a  new  B plant open in "B"irmingham..LOL.  
 
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bringing this back up,one of the buildings and a lot of land is up for sale at the old Gadsden location.Too bad they could buy the land and build a new plant.Right on the highway,The new 759 extention would be 1/2 mile away if the politicians ever grow a set of bulldoze the Ghetto,Active railroad butts up to the property.Granted the land is a little skinny but how big of a plant would they actually need.The stretch must be 100-200 yards wide and almost 1/4 mile long but with 2 roads cut across it.

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Take a look at the green ones and you will find a lot of parts from across the water, maybe only assembled in the US.
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I refuse to understand how come i can order a brand new car or truck , and tell em what color i want , but i cant do it with a tractor ... ? AGCO  ALLIS .. Whats wrong with you ?..
 
AND you wonder  why RED AND GREEN outsells ORANGE .. REALLY Piss,s  me off   
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Originally posted by Larry B Larry B wrote:

Take a look at the green ones and you will find a lot of parts from across the water, maybe only assembled in the US.
Assembled in the US is a pretty accurate statement. I grew up in Waterloo Ia and have been inside what locals called the North East Site, Deere calls it the Donald St facility, several times over the years. I have a tour brochure from the 70's that shows them bragging about a high bay inventory storage area that was computer controlled. A few years ago I toured the plant again and they have no inventory at all, and they make very little of the tractor there anymore. The line can only run a couple hours max without deliveries of components. Even some large castings are made for JD by Waterloo Castings. The engine plant only makes the largest engines JD uses. If I remember correctly it's like 8.1L. Many of the smaller engines are made in Mexico and shipped in. Moline IL may be corporate HQ, but Waterloo was home for the JD tractor for many years. Not really anymore.
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"Moreover, the company acknowledges that farmers' perception of Agco as a foreign brand.."
 
 
Lets see; trash the orange and go with European Massey....".Gee people now perceive as "foriegn" ".... YA THINK!!!???""
 
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Heck JD planters have a bunch of cast parts that say Made in China right on them, that is a big turnoff.  My new planter is coming from Hesston KS.
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So they think that if they assemble the tractors here that makes them "American Made"? So they must think farmers are stupid. Besides, I'd probably be more willing to buy from China than a two faced "ally" like france!
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Byron hit the nail on the head; Taxes.
Additionally, do not be fooled that ANY company cares about Made in America, other than using the phrase for marketing/publicity when it is useful to them.
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She also showed me that the pants were made without the button at the waist as LEVIS had those attached when they hit the US so they could still use the "Made in America" tag-line.
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I was pretty upset about the loss of the orange paint, and their excuses still don't make any sense, but underneath the paint it's still a Fendt, and that's what I like about the tractors.

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