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Kohler k301s knock sometimes

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I have a Kohler k301s out of a Allis Chalmers 912H and I just got it running again after I put a new crankshaft and new connecting rod and piston rings in it and there is a knock after it gets hot but it only does it here and there. It goes away at full throttle and at lick half throttle then comes back after a little run time. I idle it back down and it runs fine for about 15 seconds then knocks again. Anyone have any ideas?
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First and foremost, make ABSOLUTE CERTAIN that your flywheel is NOT LOOSE.  They can feel tight, and still wander, and sometimes they'll develop a totally invisible internal crack, that under the right conditions, will expand and release force in the taper.  In MOST cases, the cast iron flywheel will stay together fine under 'normal' engine governance, but I've had one that had an invisible crack open up at a 'slightly above factory governed speed' once, and I caught it before it came apart...

The K301 had balance weights (balance gears) that spun opposite to crankshaft direction to counteract primary imbalance.  They need to be shimmed and timed properly on assembly, and if they've got wear, they'll be sloppy.  When these gears aren't done right... and sometimes when they are, the'll come unglued and go on a lateral vacation, leaving a picture window in the block.  Usually, the warning is a rattle or knock at low speed/partial load or idle.

Most likely NOT spark knock, although these flatheads WILL, given enough of a load.  air-cooled flatheads develop hot spots pretty easily... but what you describe just doesn't sound like preignition to me.
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Thank you for the answer Dave. We are going to look at the valves today and if we see nothing wrong we are going to tear it down again and look at the balance gears and see if we can find what the issue is. We may even take a good look at the flywheel to see if it is cracked.
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What was the piston skirt clearance ???  Back when those 914's were new, Kohler was selling so many engines to people, they couldn't keep up. As a result, many blocks weren't given the customary "X" amount of days cure time before the blocks got bored. Then, when the engine got to be 2 or 3 years old the cylinder bores weren't even straight and had to be bored oversized for a new piston that fit correctly in a straight and round bore.
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DrAllis, I do not remember off the top of my head what it was.
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Was this your engine and it was a runner and you tore it down and did all this work to it???   Or is this something you picked up and have never heard it run before ??? and I'm taking it that you did not bore it and install a new oversize piston ??
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My pap got it for free from one of his neighbors that he was helping doing so work for. He got the tractor with the engine blown up with the connecting rod destroyed and the crankshaft scored bad.
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