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DMiller 
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 Topic: 180D starter gave it up
Posted: 30 Jan 2026 at 3:33am |
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Several years back the Starter on my 180 decided time to quit so bought a AGCo replacement thru a known supplier, that Lucas style lasted a couple of years but as my old engine is tired and cranks pretty long to start it gave up just at two years and out of warranty. So fleabay had a New Lucas style really cheap and I bit, well it gave it up after I had finished blading off driveway cleaned the snow off blade and went to restart to put back in shop. Managed to get it cranking put back inside and pulled starter. Took it to an old friend that rebuilt starters long ago does no longer and we tested it. First comment as we took it apart: “Chinese” or Some Asian junk. Side windings were iffy and likely the lacquering on those was failing or improperly applied, then he growled the armature, sure enough it was ‘Soft Shorted’. “Junk”. Having had two of these fail opted to order a Agparts Denso, gear reduction unit. Know is Korean, should be here today, hope to have back running by next round of Pretty.
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PaulSamwel
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Posted: 30 Jan 2026 at 1:29pm |
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Let us know how that new starter works out.Just bought a Lucas style from DB Electric for my 185.Supposed to be a higher quality rebuild..we'll see.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 30 Jan 2026 at 1:33pm |
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In our family, we've gotten three gear-reduction starters from DB electric for the same A-C engine family application and have had no regrets.
Edited by DrAllis - 30 Jan 2026 at 1:34pm
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DMiller
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Posted: 30 Jan 2026 at 2:06pm |
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Aided another 185 owner near us install one of these, lighter, spins faster, should be good just not the Old AC but that is disappearing.
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TedN
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Posted: 30 Jan 2026 at 2:30pm |
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I have two starters that occasionally have the drive not grab, so I have a gear reduction starter from DB on the shelf. Nice to hear that others have had good results.
Ted
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190XTD seriesIII, 190XTD seriesI, maroon belly 7000, 190XTD series??? project(or maybe parts)
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DMiller
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Posted: Yesterday at 12:19pm |
Had the old one off, New One was on in Minutes!! Not ever had that easy a install. Tractor cranked like not ever before started just fine so shut down and gathered everything up cleaned up, and tried to put outside to do some snow cleanup, won't crank, ammeter goes hard Neg past 60a, checked engine still turn by hand at fan so tried again, got to roll once then starter locked back up.
All States Ag getting a return slip sent out, shipping another.
Figures too easy, HAD to go south.
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Ky.Allis
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Posted: 22 hours 57 minutes ago at 1:37pm |
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WOW! that sounds like my kind of luck. I always said that if you cut a woman in half, I'd get the half that eats.
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Steve in NJ
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Posted: 4 hours 48 minutes ago at 7:46am |
Dave, Make sure your Battery cable is heavy enough. In your pic, the cable doesn't look like it's that heavy. Also, make sure the block has at least two heavy ground cables going from the block to frame rail. One on each side. The Starter may be searchin' for a ground. The reason why its rolling over slow. First, it Started right up, then it rolled over slow. Sounds like a ground issue to me or not enough current to the Starter. One or the other or both! HTH Steve@B&B
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Posted: 4 hours 39 minutes ago at 7:55am |
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It's alway the groud ! Check that connection at the eyelet , looks iffy .
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Les Kerf
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Posted: 1 hour 21 minutes ago at 11:13am |
 DMiller wrote:
... won't crank, ammeter goes hard Neg past 60a... |
Hmmm... In normal operation the solenoid is the only part of the circuit that draws current through the ammeter, the main starter motor circuit being outside of the meter. The massive amp reading indicates that the starter is indeed trying to pull current through the solenoid circuit, and the wiring is obviously not heavy enough to make it work that way (it isn't supposed to).
I am not familiar with this particular starter, but some of the new gear reduction units require a separate ground wire from the battery to a discrete lug on the starter itself because of the way it is designed; the traditional method of grounding through the chassis will not work if that is the case with this starter.
The gear reduction starter we put on my Son-in-law's HD5G was like that, it didn't work properly until I read the instructions (who would do a thing like that?) and wired it correctly 
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