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Posted: 19 hours 60 minutes ago at 8:40pm |
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Can someone point me to the manual pages or give me some knowledge on how to make sure the power director is adjusted right? Neutral position acts a lot like low range.
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Posted: 14 hours 47 minutes ago at 1:53am |
Might have a warped clutch, or a bad valve... Or linkage not centered? Lot of them have clutch drag, until they get warmed up, some have it even after getting hot, very few will have no drag when cold. Our first XT bought back in 1975 had all new parts in rearend (harden axles too), transmission, and two speed. It got used on the plow, disc and extensively on the round baler... and now going on 50 years, the tranny starting to jump out of 4th and the high range slips under heavy load. The hand clutch was awesome while the other 190 and XT would not sit still, had to use the brakes to stop them. Tried to adjust the linkage on the one and the other has problems in the clutch pack. Sure hope when the clutches get replaced in the slipping XT, that it doesn't start creeping or drag in neutral like the others do. A dragging 2 spd. clutch can be a real pain to deal with... if you put them on the round baler and need to step the foot clutch in every time you go to shift the transmission. 
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Posted: 10 hours 3 minutes ago at 6:37am |
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Warped or broken discs and plates can cause this. Bent ears on the clutch pistons can also contribute to it. Nothing you can really do from the outside. Your perception may also be a true neutral and with hydraulic oil temps less than 140 to 160 degrees, there usually isn't a good neutral. You got 9 driving discs flooded in oil causing drag and yes, it does still feel like low range. If it pulls a load in both ranges and doesn't slip, I'd do nothing. Cold oil temps are the most likely culprit.
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Posted: 7 hours 42 minutes ago at 8:58am |
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It's strong enough the brakes barely hold it back. Haven't hooked it up to a real load to test. I'm used to my D15, where even cold "neutral" can be achieved with light brake pressure.
I was hoping there was some gate or valve release pressure or something I could dial back just slightly to get it to lighten up in neutral.
Thanks! If I have issues pulling I'll be back. I saw another thread about power director repairs I'll look through too.
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Posted: 7 hours 20 minutes ago at 9:20am |
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They will ALWAYS creep the least when in road gear. They will ALWAYS creep the most in low gear. It's a mechanical advantage thing........
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Posted: 5 hours 59 minutes ago at 10:41am |
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Im going from memory from a long time ago but i think if it was mine id get some pressure guages and make sure the linkage is adjusted so theres no pressure on either clutch when the handle in in the center position. If i rember right theres ports in the valve for that purpose. Then youd know if its in the clutch itself or if it acually partially engaged
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Posted: 5 hours 31 minutes ago at 11:09am |
 8070nc wrote:
Im going from memory from a long time ago but i think if it was mine id get some pressure guages and make sure the linkage is adjusted so theres no pressure on either clutch when the handle in in the center position. If i rember right theres ports in the valve for that purpose. Then youd know if its in the clutch itself or if it acually partially engaged |
I was thinking there should be something like this, but I couldn't find the manual pages for it. I'll poke around.
Like Doc says there's always some slippage, but I'm not confident leaving it in gear and using the brakes and getting out. Which I am confident in my D15 doing that, and my Diesel 190XT. Just this Gasser.
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Posted: 4 hours 5 minutes ago at 12:35pm |
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Leaving the transmission "in" any gear and dismounting the tractor has never been advised, regardless what model. The truth of the Power Director clutch linkage is this: some will think the "neutral" (center of the stroke) zone can be changed or needs to be improved. That linkage only has limited adjustment. Even when adjusted spot-on, there is barely enough travel to reach full stroke in LOW and HIGH ranges and neutral is right in the dead middle. Little change is available because the total stroke is barely enough as it is.
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Posted: 3 hours 17 minutes ago at 1:23pm |
I'd be tempted to run it for a while, change fluids, and see how it feels after some time before breaking it down to look for warped discs or other internal problems. As others mentioned, those hydraulic PD's can drag a fair bit in neutral - especially when cold. When I bought my 180, I assumed something was was broken/bent because it dragged so hard in neutral. I didn't really care as it was dirt cheap and I was expecting to only use it as a stationary power unit for the sawmill. But after a couple of hours use it seemed to really free up some. I later changed the fluids and that made an even more significant difference - there's now only minimal drag when cold and no drag when warm. The old fluid didn't seem that bad, but I suspect it was just a little more viscous and caused that much more drag.
A you no doubt know, the hydraulic PD's of the 180 & larger units are different animals than the mechanical PD's of the 170 and smaller/earlier units. But regardless of which type/tractor you're on, I'm 100% with the Doc on his last post: You really don't want to rely on the PD neutral of either type if you're going to hop off. You really want to be putting the tranny in neutral.
Edited by DanielW - 3 hours 10 minutes ago at 1:30pm
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Posted: 2 hours 38 minutes ago at 2:02pm |
First thing I did was change fluids. It looked like a milkshake. Manual said 32 qts, that's not what came out.
If it pulls in high and low I'm not going to tear it apart just cause neutral isn't perfect. I'll be running a square baler, plow, disc, and sprayer, so the hand clutch isn't essential. It's "live" hydraulics, too, so foot clutch with loader work will be fine.
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Posted: 1 hour 50 minutes ago at 2:50pm |
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After draining both drain plugs (2) it takes 5 gallons to refill, which is 20 quarts.
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Posted: 1 hour 43 minutes ago at 2:57pm |
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About 5 gals came out, so guess I'm better there than I thought.
But now I'm more confused. Are both drain plugs just for the hydraulics, or do they drain the transmission too?
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