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wjohn 
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 Topic: Older Gleaner Finger Guide Differences
Posted: 21 Dec 2024 at 7:14pm |
My CII has what I suspect are aftermarket guides on the pickup and feeder beater fingers, as they don't match the AGCO parts book. Most of the ones in my machine are gone from rats or are too brittle for the rats to be interested in them, so I need to replace all of them.
Has anyone had experience with both styles? Aftermarket would of course be cheaper and the guide and retainer are all combined, but if they're junk, I'll spend the money on the parts for the AGCO style. |
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Posted: 21 Dec 2024 at 8:19pm |
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I always used the ones like you pictured.
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Posted: 21 Dec 2024 at 8:33pm |
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You haven't been able to buy the 2 piece for 40 years or more.
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Posted: 21 Dec 2024 at 10:38pm |
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That's interesting to hear. All of the old style parts listed in the C/CII catalog show current pricing and stock available, including the metal retainers. Sounds like I can save some money and use the one piece poly ones.
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Posted: 21 Dec 2024 at 10:40pm |
My F2 has the plastic ones in platform conveyor. They are kind of fragile. You can squish the hole apart with too much tightening. I use Loctite on threads and snug firmly. I just replaced some this fall. My help was running machine and I was standing on end as she finished the through. SOMETHING DON'T SOUND RIGHT!!! The help never knows something is wrong by the sound. Let's call it inexperience. 2 completely missing on platform with fingers rattling! I usually rub the clutch and roll machine over while looking for guide trouble first of each day but I wasn't driving and can't remember everything to tell everybody.
Plastic ones ain't exactly cheap.
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Posted: 22 Dec 2024 at 6:44am |
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I'll have to go look at my NOS Gleaner parts. I know there were some of them there at one time. It may be the end of the week before I get out to the barn to look.
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Posted: 22 Dec 2024 at 7:53am |
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I thought the rubberish ones used a shoulder bolt to prevent overtightening
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Posted: 22 Dec 2024 at 8:00am |
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They used both the self tapping and shoulder bolt design. Between the fingers and guides for the header and feeder beater,there were more design changes than Carters got pills.
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Posted: 22 Dec 2024 at 9:23am |
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That explains it! I thought they were shoulder bolts but these are not. Must have been shoulder bolts on the A2. I've not touched the F2 conveyor as I had dealer put new ones in when I bought it.
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Posted: 23 Dec 2024 at 1:40pm |
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I've got a 1973 M with self tapping screws on the feeder beater and shoulder bolts on the header auger...as was previously stated, they did running changes. It was confusing to me first time I changed some guides.
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Posted: 23 Dec 2024 at 3:41pm |
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Like SteveM (cIL) stated earlier, the plastic guides often break & probably get ingested by machine? If you quickly catch a missing guide, their replacement is minimal effort. Let it go too long & you could be refabing the mounting area that becomes bent-in from constant bashing.
Maybe look for the cast metal replacement guides offered by AGCO? They are pricier, louder during operation, but will last a long time.
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Posted: 23 Dec 2024 at 8:24pm |
 Lynn Marshall wrote:
They used both the self tapping and shoulder bolt design. Between the fingers and guides for the header and feeder beater,there were more design changes than Carters got pills. |
Ah, that explains a few of the tiny shoulder bolts I saw laying around the shop floor at the place I bought the combine from. If I'd known what they were the seller would've happily let me take them.
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Posted: 23 Dec 2024 at 8:28pm |
AC7060IL wrote:
Like SteveM (cIL) stated earlier, the plastic guides often break & probably get ingested by machine? If you quickly catch a missing guide, their replacement is minimal effort. Let it go too long & you could be refabing the mounting area that becomes bent-in from constant bashing.
Maybe look for the cast metal replacement guides offered by AGCO? They are pricier, louder during operation, but will last a long time. |
I have one hole completely missing the finger, guide, and hardware that looks like it will need to be straightened so that's probably what happened to it. Thanks for solving that mystery.
I did see the cast or forged guides and yes they are pricey. I was planning on skipping out on them since they probably wear on the fingers much more than the plastic? I did see somewhere in my research that forged guides were part of the corn/soybean special package, and were recommended with corn which would make sense. I don't have any irrigation on my land so I won't have to worry about corn, at least - just wheat, soybeans, and milo.
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Posted: 23 Dec 2024 at 9:13pm |
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Were the fiber pins intended for the cast bushing?
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Posted: 15 hours 9 minutes ago at 10:51am |
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My A2 had plastic in both conveyor and beater. Did about 40A corn per year for 19yrs without much trouble. Just had to keep eye on them. My F2 has steel guides in beater with larger fingers. It is a corn/soy special. I think it's 5/8 VS 1/2. Has around 4000 engine hours and has done the same 40A corn per year for 24 yrs and while there is wear on the fingers and steel guides it's not that much. The tips are worn worse that the shanks.
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Posted: 6 hours 57 minutes ago at 7:03pm |
SteveM C/IL wrote:
My A2 had plastic in both conveyor and beater. Did about 40A corn per year for 19yrs without much trouble. Just had to keep eye on them. My F2 has steel guides in beater with larger fingers. It is a corn/soy special. I think it's 5/8 VS 1/2. Has around 4000 engine hours and has done the same 40A corn per year for 24 yrs and while there is wear on the fingers and steel guides it's not that much. The tips are worn worse that the shanks. |
Thanks - that's good to know that the metal guides don't wear the fingers that much. Most of my fingers will be reusable so I'll look at whatever guide options are available for the smaller diameter fingers that my combine has.
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