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nella(Pa)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Allentown, Pa. Points: 3105 |
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Has anyone herd of this company "Three Points Land", from Oklahoma City OK. they are looking for land to put solar panels on and in the letter it sounds pretty good finically compared to corn and soybeans. But it usually don't end up that way!
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 22678 |
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along with READING the fine print... get 15 YEARS worth of rent/and lease UP FRONT !
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 31353 |
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These companies float in the wind like Dust Devils, Caution at ALL Times.
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 81819 |
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yea, with the track record most of these outifts have.. I would GET THE MONEY up front.. Then a percentage of sales going forward, or a yearly RENT..... Plan on them to CUT AND RUN at any time... so GET THE MONEY UP FRONT..
also WHO CLEANS UP after they are "DONE "?
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PaulB
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 4795 |
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You should see the massive land destruction that has been done for a solar panel farm less than 3 miles from my place. I had understood that solar panels could conform to the natural lay of the land, not at this project there are 3 huge mosquito breeding ponds that have been dug with the equal mountain of rocks that came from the holes.
The you go down to the big city of Frederick and look at all the warehouses with bare flat roofs that would be the perfect place for solar panels. Then there is also the big Data center being built without a single solar panel in any proposal. Once all the farmland that gets destroyed to put in solar panels starts getting taxed as industrial after it get taken out of agricultural production, then how does it pay for you sell outs? Solar has it's place, it's just not on productive farmland, unless it is done in such a way to remain as grazing land.
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ac fleet
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jan 2014 Location: Arrowsmith, ILL Points: 2320 |
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Ya, all they do is contaminate the area! They serve no useful purpose other than get big govt. payments to pad their false companys pockets!
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Mikez
Orange Level Access Joined: 16 Jan 2013 Location: Usa Points: 8420 |
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Before the solar was even thought of being in an open field there was concern of the amount of land lost to development. Can’t imagine how much land is being lost now.
I see in the future the no trespassing signs on fence will have above them contaminated site keep out. Because they will stop producing and who will pay to clean them up. Or where will you take them. To the landfills that are already full. They claim the solar is to help the environment. I see it just making another mess.
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jvin248
Silver Level Joined: 17 Jan 2022 Location: Detroit Points: 332 |
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. There is not really "contamination", the main problem are all the cement piers for ground anchors so the panels don't fly away. When they give up the project they pull the panels to resell and the copper wire and maybe the iron bracket bracing for scrap, but leave you with a grid of cement tree stumps four foot in the ground. So make sure they do a clean up in the contract. .
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 31353 |
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If any of the cells become damaged, hail is a big problem these leach the Cadmium, Arsenic, Lead and other nasty elements used to produce the Under Glass components. Leads to issues that if notice are usually CONEX boxes on the sites, away from the viewed edge, these to store broken panels as cannot be removed from the sites except by a Hazmat hauler to a recycler that as yet does NOT exist.
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 22678 |
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Always thought ( wrongly I suppose..) that the roofs of Walmarts and SAMS and Costcos and .... would be IDEAL solar sites. HUGE useless areas and SHORT cable runs to the grid. Agree that ONE broken solar panel in 100 acres will contaminate what used to be viable farmland......
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WF owner
Orange Level Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4691 |
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There have been several landowners in our area that have committed land for solar farms.
I was talking to our local assessor a while back and he brought up an interesting point, that I hadn't thought of. He said, when you put thousands (maybe even millions) of dollars of income producing solar panels (permanently "built") on land, the parcel is now worth much more and should be assessed as such. Suddenly, land that was assessed as farmland, now is worth much more. He expects some of these landowners are in for a huge surprise when they get tax bills for hundreds of times what their taxes were. he thinks that is one of the reasons solar companies are leasing land instead of purchasing. I wondered why these companies are not buying property instead of leasing at exorbitant rates. Maybe this is one of the reasons. Just something else to think of, when considering a lease.
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nella(Pa)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Allentown, Pa. Points: 3105 |
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The same goes for cell towers in my area!
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Mikez
Orange Level Access Joined: 16 Jan 2013 Location: Usa Points: 8420 |
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That’s probably why there are trying to label it farm by running sheep under them. To still fall under the ag assessment tax thingy.
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HudCo
Orange Level Joined: 29 Jan 2013 Location: Plymouth Utah Points: 3606 |
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most biulding roofs arnt designed to hold the weight , but it should be going forward
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 22678 |
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ALL roofs here in Ontario have to be strong enough for 'snow loads' so 'weight' isn't the reason. 15 years ago when the province had a great deal to go solar ( 80c/KwH ) I applied ,looked good, then turned down. My COMPANY owned the land not me. Still can't get a straight answer WHY that would matter. FYI, if I was 'native' , I could have put several systems on the same land...... OH well... since then solar is NOT economical to buy into. |
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klinemar
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Michigan Points: 8018 |
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Solar Projects ( I refuse to call them Farms) would go away if not subsidized by the Government both Federal and State. I sit on our Township Board of Review for Property Taxes. I have seen Tax Abatements for Wind Turbines given to the Companies that own them as they are required by law to pay the increase in taxes from Ag to Commercial. Then the State Tax Authority grants an Abatementso they don't pay the full increase.I'm sure Solar will be the same. On another note several large Farmers in our State got in financial trouble and had land repossessed by their lender and is now going Solarfor the greater return on the money. I have been approached to sell, lease the farm for Solar and will not unless forced which could happen as the Legislature and Governor of Michigan signed into law taking siting control from local Townships and giving it to a 3 member Public Service Commission appointed by the Governor! People in Michigan and across the Country need to wake up and stand up to this take over of farmland!
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 22678 |
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Your last 4 words speak VOLUMES !!!! THAT is the agenda ! CONTROL...... Same with MEGA pig farms, MEGA cattle farms and such. Eliminate the 'little' guys, create a monopoly over time, 'big box business' model except government controlled.
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WF owner
Orange Level Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4691 |
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I live about 12 miles from Ontario, so I suspect the building codes in northern NY state are very similar to Ontario. I agree that buildings are built to sustain the weight of snow, but it would take a much stronger building to hold the snow and (quite heavy) solar energy collecting panels and their substructure. After my comment about increased taxes on land that had solar energy collectors (and windmills) built on them, I did some research. Most of the "green energy" generating locations in our area have PILOT (payment in lieu of taxes) agreements. These agreements waive full taxes on these parcels and have a sliding increase over several years until the parcel reaches 100% taxable. PILOT agreements usually mean the party receiving the price break makes payments, some on a sliding scale, to local agencies (fire/EMS departments, schools and specified others), to compensate for the tax breaks. At some point in future years, theoretically, the property will reach 100% tax rates. Most of these agreements also include annual "decommission funds" to be deposited in an account, to be used to return the property to its original state after closing.
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Mikez
Orange Level Access Joined: 16 Jan 2013 Location: Usa Points: 8420 |
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Has anyone ever seen a site get returned to the way it was before.
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steve(ill)
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once they DIE and GO BANKRUMP... its hard to squeeze any blood out of them !
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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DanWi
Orange Level Access Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: wttn Points: 1808 |
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I don't think they have been around long enough to see them decommissioned yet but give them another 10 or 15 years. If you drive by and look at those sites it would take 10 years or more to turn them back to farmland and more to get them productive. Some of them will probably end up in the hands of government because they will cost to much to clean up. Companies will take the money and disappear or go broke and leave the mess behind. They will need some kind of superfund to clean it all up.
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 22678 |
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Solar panels average about 3#s per sqft so maybe 5#s with mounting frame/hardware. That's less than the 2nd layer of shingles that many put on their roofs ! Panels are designed for EASY installs, need to be lightweight for crew putting them up, and of course shipping from China. Snowload for me ,Hamilton, Ontario(40m from Buffalo) is 50#/sqft. though today it's all 'Metricked'...... There's a lot of them in my neighbourhood, still there though minimal power from now until next Spring due to low dun, cloudy days, and some snow.
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plummerscarin
Orange Level Access Joined: 22 Jun 2015 Location: ia Points: 3530 |
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I just got a letter from New Energy Equity
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ac hunter
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jan 2011 Location: OHIO Points: 999 |
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We were bothered by one of those solar co's a year or so ago. One of those too good to be true deals. They told us our neighbors were signing up but I haven't found any yet. I asked what happened if the company went bankrupt / out of business and was told it couldn't happen. Said I would rather see our corn and beans. Haven't heard from them since and so far no solar panels anywhere near. The county north of us had a large farmer (green eq) supposed ready to sign up about 100 acres and there has been a ruckus going on ever since. More "no solar" signs around than you can count, even in towns.
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only AC orange
Silver Level Access Joined: 06 Dec 2014 Location: Eastern Indiana Points: 478 |
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LANDOWNERS, BEWARE! If it looks too good to be true, it's probably not true! Of all the solar "deals" I'm aware of, NONE will prove to be beneficial in the long run. In the Northern parts of U.S., solar is only about 20% efficient at best. Why would any business with a good mind for economy of returns want to invest in something with that low efficiency? With a growing world population, why do we want to take productive farm land out of production? Have any of the Solar companies come up with a decommissioning plan and put it in writing so the lessee is protected when their "project"is no longer viable? I am not aware of any of the solar companies addressing the issue of damaged farm tiles while installation of projects. Once solar project installation is completed, there will be few if any jobs (local) connected to any given project! Does anyone have accurate information regarding what materials are used in building solar panels, where are they being built, how toxic is the material, if a hailstorm damages panels will land be contaminated, how long will contamination last in the soil? As addressed earlier in this forum, land taxation? This, solar, is a BIG hoax led by the liberal left!!!!!
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DiyDave
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 51934 |
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That's an easy one... Because the gubmint is giving them funding/tax breaks!
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Coke-in-MN
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41657 |
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My son has made several pullers now for a Solar company to remove the posts on damaged solar fields as they were using a excavator at first but getting in-between rows of panels did not allow room to maneuver.
His first unit was sold to company and it is now on 3rd owner in 4 years . That company ordered 2 more units and resold them . He just finished and shipped another unit but differs as it has 2 - 5" hydraulic cylinders added with pull force required of 40,000 pound lift potential to remove post and concrete used to stiffen post / ground anchoring . |
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Tbone95
Orange Level Access Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11636 |
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As for highlighted in red…..yeah….one of my landlords, a retired farmer with a family legacy of farming for probably 125 years plus in this area is taking my biggest best field away for a solar deal. Flat, square, tiled, accessible and gone! Taking away from most of his renters not just me, but still. 100’s of acres of some of the best land around. Mr Conservative, Mr Farm Support, talks a big game until it’s time for the money to flow into his pocket. He’s already collecting top dollar farm rent, but not good enough. Same with anyone else. |
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Clay
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Udall, Kansas Points: 9397 |
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We are planning to install a solar water pump system in our pasture.
Windmill head is broken. Tired of climbing the tower to service the gear box. I don't bounce as high as I did in the past. NRCS has a cost share program. The biggest problem is finding a suitable heavy equipment tire to make into a tank.
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only AC orange
Silver Level Access Joined: 06 Dec 2014 Location: Eastern Indiana Points: 478 |
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I have no problem with small, personal use solar installs! My bitch is LARGE mega scale units being developed and funded by GVMT.!!!!!
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