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Enjoyed my day with my buddies Mutt and Kenny. Kenny is 84 years old and was also the owner of our AC dealer until the end. Helping him repair his really nice original WD45D. Factory power steering. Kenny and Mutt found some coolant in the oil pan a few days ago so they began investigating by removing the oil pan. Allowed the engine to drain. Found the sleeve in #6 O-rings had been leaking. Pulled the head and used a sleeve puller to remove the sleeve. Crank lobes had some surface rust on them were it had leaked down on it. Otherwise the crank is in good shape. Rod bearing shows no issues. Ordered parts and hope to have it back together next week.

1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

I will do that John. Need to get this out of the shop as he has sold it. WC will be rebuilt next. We are still in desperate need of rain here. Low 80’s again today with no rain in sight.

Edited by AC720Man - 29 Oct 2023 at 6:47pm

1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

I’m glad you 2 got together. 7000 is a nice tractor. Did you see pictures of his nice shop? Would love to have one that size. Look forward to the next time we can meet at a GOTO. Really enjoyed meeting you 2 in person in MD after talking on the forum.

Edited by AC720Man - 29 Oct 2023 at 6:49pm

1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

I will take a look at it. Didn’t realize there was video on the show.
Thanks

1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

Hey Ted, we are all going to Hutch next summer. See you then. Tim

1950 WD 1959 D14 1955 WD45 1976 7000 B 207

Long story short, the lift pump sheared the key on the drive shaft due to the idler gear being stuck. Gear was stuck due to old fuel sitting in the pump for too long I assume. I tried to get him to pull the pump to have it serviced before we started this project but he declined to do it. With parts NLA, he is searching for another pump. In the meantime, I began to think would the pump and injector lines from a series 1 D17 work on the 230 Buda? Or would it require a total engine swap and would that work? Is the 12A pump too much for a 230? I’m just curious, he has a spare D17 engine with a rebuilt 12A pump. Probably a dumb idea but I’m curious. Remove the dual upper filters so it would be gravity fed. It already has the one big fuel filter under the tank. Always thought the dual filters mounted high on the engine was overkill requiring a lift pump to get fuel to the filters for a total of 3 fuel filters plus a sediment bowl. I’m sure someone has put a different pump on these 230’s?

1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

The injector pump on the 230 ran at crankshaft speed, while the D17 ran at half speed. So the drive gear train is different, and the housings that contain them.

Cockshutt and others used this engine, are all the pumps the same?

Charlie

'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD

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AC720Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4910	Post Options Post Reply Quote AC720Man Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: WD45D Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 7:31pm
	Enjoyed my day with my buddies Mutt and Kenny. Kenny is 84 years old and was also the owner of our AC dealer until the end. Helping him repair his really nice original WD45D. Factory power steering. Kenny and Mutt found some coolant in the oil pan a few days ago so they began investigating by removing the oil pan. Allowed the engine to drain. Found the sleeve in #6 O-rings had been leaking. Pulled the head and used a sleeve puller to remove the sleeve. Crank lobes had some surface rust on them were it had leaked down on it. Otherwise the crank is in good shape. Rod bearing shows no issues. Ordered parts and hope to have it back together next week.
	1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

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John WV Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 30 Oct 2010 Location: bunker hill wv Points: 273	Post Options Post Reply Quote John WV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 7:45pm
	rob, tell kenny i said hello hope all is good we still need rain was 82 here today

AC720Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4910	Post Options Post Reply Quote AC720Man Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 1:17pm
	I will do that John. Need to get this out of the shop as he has sold it. WC will be rebuilt next. We are still in desperate need of rain here. Low 80’s again today with no rain in sight. Edited by AC720Man - 29 Oct 2023 at 6:47pm
	1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

Tim NH Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 16 Oct 2012 Location: Lancaster NH Points: 1084	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tim NH Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 5:45pm
	Robbie we've been getting your rain all summer and fall. Actually snow flurries today. Ray and his wife from MI were here today. He's never been in a 7000, so I had him get up in it. He liked it, but too big for his operation. Tim
	1950 WD 1959 D14 1955 WD45 1976 7000 B 207

AC720Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4910	Post Options Post Reply Quote AC720Man Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 6:44pm
	I’m glad you 2 got together. 7000 is a nice tractor. Did you see pictures of his nice shop? Would love to have one that size. Look forward to the next time we can meet at a GOTO. Really enjoyed meeting you 2 in person in MD after talking on the forum. Edited by AC720Man - 29 Oct 2023 at 6:49pm
	1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

Tim NH Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 16 Oct 2012 Location: Lancaster NH Points: 1084	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tim NH Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 7:18pm
	Yes Ray has kept me updated with pictures. It will take him awhile to fill it, lol. Yesterday on YouTube. I came across a video titled. Gathering of the Orange Maryland Steam Tractor Show 2022. By OldTractors. At 3.26 there we all are. Ray sitting on my 1935 WC. Tim
	1950 WD 1959 D14 1955 WD45 1976 7000 B 207

AC720Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4910	Post Options Post Reply Quote AC720Man Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 8:24pm
	I will take a look at it. Didn’t realize there was video on the show. Thanks
	1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

Ted J Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18821	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ted J Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 Oct 2023 at 11:59am
	Tim, nice seeing you and Ray again, even if it's on a video...
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Tim NH Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 16 Oct 2012 Location: Lancaster NH Points: 1084	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tim NH Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 Oct 2023 at 4:06pm
	Hey Ted, we are all going to Hutch next summer. See you then. Tim
	1950 WD 1959 D14 1955 WD45 1976 7000 B 207

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	Tim, I told Rob the same thing. We had a rainy summer this year just like you guys did up above us. Matter of fact, you guys were getting clobbered up there a few times with these wicked storms! We had three beautiful Fall days Thurs.-Sat. and we're back to rain again the past couple days... sigh.. Steve@B&B
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	Long story short, the lift pump sheared the key on the drive shaft due to the idler gear being stuck. Gear was stuck due to old fuel sitting in the pump for too long I assume. I tried to get him to pull the pump to have it serviced before we started this project but he declined to do it. With parts NLA, he is searching for another pump. In the meantime, I began to think would the pump and injector lines from a series 1 D17 work on the 230 Buda? Or would it require a total engine swap and would that work? Is the 12A pump too much for a 230? I’m just curious, he has a spare D17 engine with a rebuilt 12A pump. Probably a dumb idea but I’m curious. Remove the dual upper filters so it would be gravity fed. It already has the one big fuel filter under the tank. Always thought the dual filters mounted high on the engine was overkill requiring a lift pump to get fuel to the filters for a total of 3 fuel filters plus a sediment bowl. I’m sure someone has put a different pump on these 230’s?
	1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

Charlie175 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6358	Post Options Post Reply Quote Charlie175 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 3:11pm
	Sounds feasible to me but not sure if the drive gears are the same to be timed correctly? I'm sure someone out there has done this.
	Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD

TramwayGuy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: Northern NY Points: 11445	Post Options Post Reply Quote TramwayGuy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 11:24pm
	The injector pump on the 230 ran at crankshaft speed, while the D17 ran at half speed. So the drive gear train is different, and the housings that contain them.

AC720Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4910	Post Options Post Reply Quote AC720Man Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 11:29pm
	Thanks, just seeing what options he has.
	1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

Charlie175 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6358	Post Options Post Reply Quote Charlie175 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Nov 2023 at 6:42am
	Cockshutt and others used this engine, are all the pumps the same?
	Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD

TramwayGuy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: Northern NY Points: 11445	Post Options Post Reply Quote TramwayGuy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Nov 2023 at 6:50am
	“.Or would it require a total engine swap and would that work?” I worked for a guy who put a D17D engine in a WD45D and it worked pretty well, but it was tough on rear axles. Maybe because he had clamp-on duals on it. And he for sure didn’t use it for PTO work.