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    Posted: 10 Dec 2022 at 5:41am
Anyone here use the new to me home sheathing system or anything similar? Uses a green skinned sheathing and tape on the joint seams, no vapor barrier to install not sure if they even recommend adding vapor barrier.

Buddy of mine in OK has a new home going up with the system, stated even without siding or brickwork the structure with windows and doors was pretty well air tight, I was shocked at the efficiency of install and closure of his frame up.
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My take on it is that it is very expensive at $33.45 per sheet verses $13.90 per sheet (both 7/16") for regular OSB right now from our local Home Depot's website.

I know it doesn't need a vapor barrier and it stands up to weather better that standard OSB, but at more than twice the price, I would think you can install a vapor barrier and cover it with siding for around the same money. it has to have siding over it eventually.
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New neighbour used it, regrets ever buying it and having it installed. First it's very expensive compared to 'traditional' sheathing. Their joint tape is $$$$. Second it HAS to be installed according to the instructions, even need their roller to put their $$$ tape on.
If you're thinking about it, price it out and READ the PITA instructions....
from either install or energy savings ,it is NOT any better.
I KNOW it's a HUGE sore spot ,regrets ever being con-vinced to using it and I NEVER bring it up.
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We have used it with homeowners recommendation.
Very expensive.
We do use the zip tape a lot.
I much prefer it to window tape.
$75.00 a roll last I saw.
Might be less now.
I just delivered a case of it to a job this week.
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I have. The stuff is awesome. Knocked our electric bill in half.
Unbelievable for no more than what it is. 
The tape is the same way. Expensive but there isn't a better tape made.

I bought 15 sheets pre-covid for $18-$20 each 4x8 to try it out from Lowes.
Got that up and got online to order some more and it said they had 80 some sheets for $1.99 each but you had to buy all of them. Ended up getting 60 or so of them. All they had. I still have 20 or so left.
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just checked, roll of tape 6"x 90' is now $100 +13% taxes......,so over a buck a foot !!
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In our climate, anything I would ever build that would ever have heat source in it would be spray-foamed, which in itself is a vapor barrier, so the allure of the zip system lessens.
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Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

just checked, roll of tape 6"x 90' is now $100 +13% taxes......,so over a buck a foot !!

3 3/4" x 90' roll of Zip tape is $31.68 here, so quite a bit cheaper here (but still expensive!) 3-3/4 in. x 90 ft. ZIP System Tape 5017100 (homedepot.com)
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 Is this one of them deal where it make the house so tight that you have to add air exchangers 
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Could very well be!!
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We are doing stone work on a 9.5 million $$$$ house in Clayton right now with this stuff - and they were very stern on any miss drilled hole must be covered with ZIP TAPE- 
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Just a thought, but if the green coating is the vapor barrier, wouldn't every nail or screw that penetrates that membrane need to be taped to have a true vapor barrier?
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Regular vapor barrier gets a plastic capped nail to retain and spread stress zone, builder on our house used that system, 6 of one half dozen other.  Also as I read on, there is a sealant the builder is supposed to apply to nail heads much as the tape or apply tape.  More I read on it the less I am sold on it now.  More a Step and Time saver for builder at increase expense on materials, most builders base against sq footage in a flat rate unit price rather than a per hour as on a custom build where if building more units faster earn more cash.  Another 'Trend' perhaps?
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I put it on my house when I resided it. I'd do it again in a heartbeat.
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I'm seeing more and more of the ZIP systems going on new homes in my area.
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