GM- Ford going all electric ??????

So both of these companies last week announced they are spending billions of dollars on new factories/ plants to build batteries/ new all electric cars etc - in my opinion , i do believe they are at the point of being foreign owned - like Dodge is -  where is all this money coming from ? Makes no sense

DougG wrote: So both of these companies last week announced they are spending billions of dollars on new factories/ plants to build batteries/ new all electric cars etc - in my opinion , i do believe they are at the point of being foreign owned - like Dodge is -  where is all this money coming from ? Makes no sense

#1 Most of these buying electric vehicles fail to realize that many power plants providing the electric for the "plug in power" are still coal fired and in the long run are generating more pollution than the same vehicle would if it was gasoline fueled.  

Yup. Just waiting for all the geenieasses to get more electric cars that need charging than we have electric power to do so. Maybe only drive your battery powered car every other day to save on the electricity power grid...??

Well, of course, the plan is to close current coal fired, gas, and hydro plants, push the solar panels and wind turbines, which most of the policy makers are heavily invested in. Also, rationing power to the masses to save mother earth may be on the agenda. Of course, all six of Al Gores estates, Pelousys mansion, as well as the Gates,  etc homesteads will be lit up like Christmas trees!

if GM and any other companies wanna sell vehicles in CA, they'll hafta go all electric by 2024. 

yeah butt, there be a LOT of 'harmful, greenhouse gases' acoming outta their new rides....

I'm  OK with the concept of electric vehicles.  it's been shown that pollution is less even with the power plant issues.

The fundamental problem I have with electric vehicles is the assumption that people can afford them.  So far, even with rebates,  the prices are so high I for one will never be able to afford them.  I can't even imagine what the insurance cost will be.  The complex electronics and battery packs will never be repairable.  All servicing will have to be done by dealerships who will control ownership of parts and technology.  Small repair shops won't have access to either of those.

So, unless people get electric-car subsidies, I don't see the majority of people being able to switch over.  Unfortunately, the price of gas and used gas vehicles will also sky rocket as the conversion continues.  It's probably a good thing I don't have many more driving years ahead of me.

DMiller wrote: MAJOR Emission or Disposal issue on Electric Autos is the batteries, hard to recycle and more expensive yet to replace where the car is worth LESS than the battery replacement cost at four to five years age.

There will also likely be a charge for the recycling system similar to tires.   The only viable option might be that everybody has to lease these vehicles.  Okay for businesses because they can write off the costs.  Non-business owners cannot.  Tax credits don't help most folks because their income is too low anyway.

know a guy that works in scrap yard. They won’t let any type of them in the yard. Nothing of value to scrap and I guess dangerous even without batteries 

Trawler II wrote: Major automakers want to sell cars, if they see electric as the future I say they will get the price point down to an affordable level. I've read that 60% of a Tesla battery is recycled, the recycling isn't done at your average scrap yard.  I've also seen reports where Tesla batteries have been in use for 400,000 miles with a 9% reduction in efficiency. This longevity more than likely has to do with how well the battery pack was managed, much the same as maintenance on a combustion engine.  One thing for sure is that change is coming whether us old dinosaurs want it or not. ya, maybe......or maybe you are reading baloney from the same folks that have been telling us just how great windmills are! who is doing the studies, who is funding them.....etc

What is the Cost to Charge an EV in kWh?

“A conservative rule of thumb is that an electric car gets 3 to 4 miles per kWh,” Voelcker says. “So divide the total miles you drive each month by 3, to get the kWh you would use monthly. Multiply that number by your cost per kWh. The dollar amount you get will most likely be lower than what you pay each month to buy gasoline.”

To put this into perspective, let’s give an example. Let’s say you drive about 540 miles per month. For an EV, you will use 180 kWh in that timeframe. Using the U.S. household average from May 2021 of 14 cents per kWh, it would cost $25.20/month to charge an EV.

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-an-ev/