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lost soul
Bronze Level Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Points: 7 |
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Posted: 26 Oct 2010 at 10:10pm |
Anyone have any experience with this engine (good or bad)? This is a small (200 cid) turbo diesel used in 6060, 6080 and some other equipment. There is talk in our area of starting up a 5,000 lbs class. Farm stock, of course. the rules look tight enough to control things at least for a while. Thanks
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HagerAC
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Location: SE MN Points: 1184 |
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I know they are fuel efficient because we have one in an F2 gleaner combine, and i also know many 6080 tractors came from the factory with over 100 hp. I would say they are a good working engine, but you gotta keep them wound up, more so than a 301 so i don't know how great they would be for pulling. I do love that engine though don't get me wrong. The 433T was in the 6060, and the 433I was in the 6080 meaning they were also intercooled.
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30+ A-Cs ranging from a 1928 20-35, to a 1984 8070FWA, Gleaner R52
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injpumpEd
Orange Level Access Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 4865 |
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it is a 4 cyl version of the 301, so what makes a 301 run will also work on a 200cid 433. cam, turbo, and fuel!
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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skipwelte
Orange Level Joined: 29 Oct 2009 Location: Anthon, Iowa Points: 723 |
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they had a great torque curve, but needed a counter balancer so they wouldnt shake apart.
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lost soul
Bronze Level Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Points: 7 |
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Thanks for the info. Sorry I haven't responded quicker. Been out of town on business and no computer access. What size turbo is standard?
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wheatbreeder
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Harrow, Ontario Points: 580 |
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In F2 combines the are great as they are belt drive no clutch pack problems as in the 6080 great motors had a 6080 and F2 combine the like to be plugged in to heater in cold weather
Morley
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Farm stuff 8050,6690,175,F2,5050,WD
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DrAllis
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 20221 |
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AirResearch TO-3 turbo......long lived and great performance....had several that ran 8,000 plus hrs in a tractor. Hard starters?? yes...lower compression on the earliest ones, but once she was lit it ran so nice you forgot about it.
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lost soul
Bronze Level Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Points: 7 |
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Great info as always. If we go off the deep end ( and we have before!) any suggestions for nozzle tips, fuel flow, timing? Thanks in advance.
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injpumpEd
Orange Level Access Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 4865 |
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EDM'd nozzles, and a hot pump, with a to4 or something similar. Would be a neat project. Send me a pm if you get serious about a fuel system. I'm sure someone on here can be better at recommending a turbo than I can.Keep us posted. Ed.
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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DrAllis
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I'd use one from a 200 or 7000 or 7010......AirResearch brand that is........only way it will work is to increase the fuel substaintially.
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Tim-tn
Silver Level Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: West Point ,TN Points: 205 |
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Hey Dr. Allis what two turbo's would you recommend for a 301 two charger set-up? A model Bosch(450 cc's fuel), nozzles to match, big lines , cam mildly ported head. Going to run about 3800 rpm's.
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DrAllis
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For beginners...3LM466 on the bottom and an S-3 on the top......for advanced pullers..S-3 on the bottom and S400 on the top. The first combination will get a 190 chassis into road gear at 6500-7000 lbs with 24.5 x 32 tires.
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lost soul
Bronze Level Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Points: 7 |
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Thanks to all. I'll keep everyone posted as this goes forward.
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B52FXR
Bronze Level Joined: 10 Mar 2015 Location: Wellston OK Points: 29 |
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New Injector pump, injectors, cleaned the lines.................injector pump on and al I have a knocking where the injector puimp mounts to the front housing when I crank the engine over. It is putting out fuel..............I have a little smoke coming out of the exhaust. But it won't even kick like it is starting. I thought I had it 180 degrees out...............and I pulled the injector pump back off and turned the engine 180 degrees again and reinstalled it. Worse now...................So I will put it back on the way I originally installed it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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B52FXR
Bronze Level Joined: 10 Mar 2015 Location: Wellston OK Points: 29 |
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My engine is a 433 non turbo.................in a 653 Dozer
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ACjack
Silver Level Joined: 13 Sep 2014 Location: Peoria, Arizona Points: 275 |
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The early ones (no counter balancer's, turbo's or intercoolers) were called D2200's. For awhile sometime in the 70's AC stopped buliding the D2200's. When they resumed building them there had the crank driven counter balancer and a turbo. Then latter they added the intercooler.
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tbran
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Paris Tn Points: 3285 |
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just thinking out loud, while waiting ... If I were building a farm pulling unit I would send Ed the pump and let him put a 37mm or larger head in , find a 2200 head to use the 7080 injectors or again trust Ed or others here on a bosch tip, either American or Robert as both were used, and if you are turning over stock Rpm's loose the balancer as it is cast iron and would be a grenade potential.
The stock turbo will be ok up to about 135 hp where it will destruct. IF you go with the To4 use the .8 A//R exhaust. If you have to stay stock find a larger A/R housing to prevent overspeed. Many years ago we maxed out a stock pump on a 6080 and the boost hit nearly 35 PSI - then failed the turbo shortly thereafter when we turned it back down. We think it was close to 130 HP at about 2400.... and that was an AirResearch stock. I would think 150-160 honest hp would be obtainable with water inj and w/o a lot of $ and would live ok. Any more and you are talking cubic $$. The early pistons were also lower compression , like 14:1 |
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When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money..
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Mike8cyl
Bronze Level Joined: 25 Apr 2016 Location: Seattle wa Points: 26 |
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I just heard about this 433ti! I need one for my hd4 haha! Should be a bolt in deal if anyone has a good engine they are lookin to sell complete pm me thanks guys :) I'd love to follow this project more aswell post pics if you can
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