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The trailer is 2 years old, single axle mower trailer. It's got a flat 4 prong plug in. But it has 5 wires comming out of it. No lights on the trailer work. I thought it must be the ground. I re did the ground on the trailer and cleaned up the plug. Still nothing. I plugged the lights that I use on the car toter into the pickup, they work, so pickup is ok. Might pickup up 4 new lights tomorrow. It looks like the wiring harness runs into the front clearance lights before the wires go to the rear lights. Will replace the front clearance lights tomorrow. I just happen to have a pair. But I am not sure why all the brake/turn signal, tail lights, clearance lights don't work.
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if it's a "Carry-on" brand trailer, replace all the lights. dunno where they get them, but they don't last long for some reason.
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Tom,
Yes one of my pet peves too, lights not working. Sometimes a bad ground? Also a good multi meter to check where you have power can help.
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i test with a battery charger... GRound the charger lead to the white ground wire... Then take your RED lead and touch the BROWN wire and you should get tail lights.. You can also take off the lense of the lights and test right at the socket... Touch the RED to the green or yellow and you will get the BRAKE/ TURN light on left or right.
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Steve Thank you, I have a new 12 volt battery for the motor home was gonna use a couple of jumper wires and see what happens. I'm thinking cheap lights too.   I will see if I can find some new lights at the flea mkt tomorrow. Thanks guys. I did find the odd ball 4 prong plug with 5 wires comming out the back at trailers.com. it'lL be here next week.
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Many years ago I bought a new 16 foot tandem axel landscapers type trailer. It had brakes on both axels with a 12 volt lantern size battery with a break away switch. After using it 
some for a few years, I brought the battery into my shop for the winter, and checked for thinking that it might need be charged. It was in fine shape and did not need charge at all.

Some years later I bought a new 20 foot flat bed tandem axel trailer. This trailer also had break away brakes with a 12 volt lantern size rechargeable battery, and while in use the vehicle kept it charged. But if I left they battery plugged into the trailer system when not in use, it would become run down.  I don't consider that an improvement over the old trailer, which I never needed to unplug the battery, from the break-away brake system. 

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Dont really need the 4 prong 5 wire. I'm guessing there's 2 brown wires. One for each side of the trailer. Can put a junction box on the trailer and do the split there. Or use a step down butt connector the small side to the plug and twist both brown wires together and put in the big side.
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What I do is buy a few sets that hang on by magnets when on sale for $9.99 at HF. Keep some parts around from broken ones or if too much to repair slap a new one on in 5 minutes. Cleaning up property with tall grass, weeds and other unseen hazards is my thing and can't keep lights working when ran under the trailer.
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mite need a ground wire from the truck to trailer' not grounding from the ball' got a small trailer did the same thing.
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Tom...if you are gonna replace the wiring, slide the wires throught an old garden hose and zip tie the hose up under the trailer, i've done that to a couple of mine and it works well to keep stuff from yanking the wires loose like what Gary says. and keeps mice and weather off the wires too.
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no lights = no ground or ALL bulbs gone(in your case SIX bulbs !!).

I just rebuilt a tandem sled trailer and installed all new wiring and lights. For testing,I just use a car battery , using the 'car side' of the wiring, strip off an inch and tie white wire to -ve of battery.brown is markers, gReen is Right, yeLlow is left.
the 5 wire makes it easy to run, yeLlow/brown go to the Left brake/turn + tail, gReen/brown to the right brake/turn + tail.
Real cheap lights have unbeliveable krappy friction grip 'connections' in the lights so LOTS of interesting, er, FRUSTRATING, light problems. At the very least baby marrettes work ok....best to solder/heat shrink though.

let us know if ALL bulbs were blown..that's kinda rare to happen, though a huge voltgae surge could take them out I suspect  bad ground.
wish I could be there...I like problems like this....
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Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

no lights = no ground or ALL bulbs gone(in your case SIX bulbs !!).

let us know if ALL bulbs were blown..that's kinda rare to happen, though a huge voltgae surge could take them out I suspect  bad ground.
wish I could be there...I like problems like this....
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You like problems like this?
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I had to run the ground wire all the way to the neg. post of the truck battery on mine to make them work. ----they work fine when hooked to the explorer, but not when hooked to the truck. (damn diesel fords)
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re: You like problems like this?

yeah , I can handle mindless challenges like 4 pin wiring....

I even figured out how to get trailer Ebrakes to work on 4 wires.One of those paper napkin challenges.... Probably be a million buck product, but, yawn, I got bored after it worked...

AC fleet... sounds like your truck didn't come with the  'trailer towing  package'. If it did, check for a break in the white wire( ground).
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Tom, do yourself a favor and start over. Every trailer manufacturer I've ever seen doesn't use sealed connections so corrosion runs rampant. With new wire, solder all connections and seal them with heatshrink tubing. With everything soldered and sealed, your lights will work every time you hook up to the trailer.
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I worked for 2 days trying to figure out why I did not have brake kights on my trailer,  but had them on my 2009 Ford Ranger.  Come to find out that Ford Ranger has a seperate fuse for the brake lights on the trailer package.   Maybe the rest of the lights have their own fuses just for the trailer too.   May be normal now,  but first time I ever run into it.  I know I was not happy.  I hate electrical of any kind.   I think Jay must have stuck his finger in a light socket when he was very young!
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Shameless, I've tried the wires run inside various hoses and lines several times with no success. I buy repo properties where no human other than vandals have been on in a few years.
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re: I think Jay must have stuck his finger in a light socket when he was very young!

yeah but I didn't learn, mustav dun that 3-4 times....Big smile

I use 1/2" black poly pipe as 'conduit' from trailer tongue to lights. I build all my trailers with 'A' style coupler and 2" square tubing,makes it EASY to get the wires from front to back.I also bring the wires inside the housings and solder/heatshrink  the connections inside ,to make a clean install. 100% of the wiring is protected from Mother Nature. Only time I have 'electrical' problems is when I have to replace busted lights.

All probably all new ( >'1997 ) vehicles do have LOTS of fuses and relays for 'trailer towing package'......
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Common problem with the current production trailers and have seen such with the last thirty years of small trailer production is they rely on speed to keep pricing down. Scotch Lock fasteners instead of solid crimps and heat shrinked connections or even fabricated no seam harness as opposed to the excessively sliced crap put out there. Every trailer I have had required re-wiring within two years and not due to incidental damage, lamps were junk $.50-$few dollar apiece garbage from day one as again, to make the price more appealing the production materials had to be cheapened. NONE of my current trailers have any OEM Lamps on them. Five wires from a four prong plug is nothing new, used to be furnished that way in bulk plug/harness assemblies. I prefer 6 wire small round pin plugs and wiring to the code values as set by the manufacturers of small trailers/RV Trailers, my large trailer has a 7 pin flat connector plug that was crap from day one and may change it over to 6 pin small round.
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