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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33863 |
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Had some issue areas needed NEW fence so last month set the Wood posts and just got done setting wire. Renter tried hotwire, useless in most cases so opted to permanent barbed wire, four point.
Did have a little blood letting go on with hanging the wire. OK Brand 12 1/2 ga four point. Edited by DMiller - 05 Oct 2019 at 1:54pm |
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chaskaduo ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 26 Nov 2016 Location: Twin Cities Points: 5200 |
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Oh how I hated fencing with barbed wire. Sneaky chit got me every time.
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Alberta Phil ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Points: 3915 |
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Did a lot of that this summer. I drove the WD with spools on a rack on the back and my grandson and some of his buddies strung it to the posts and stapled it on. I helped out a little with wire stretcher to get the tension right on each wire. Kids suffered from most of the blood letting! I got off easy for a change. We had put the posts in a week earlier with the post pounder hooked up to the 'ol WC. Most of my Allis's still have to work for a livin' Only the '48 U seems to spend most of it's time restin' or parading!
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shameless dude ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Apr 2017 Location: east NE Points: 13607 |
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Miller...you need to tighten them wires up a bit more...but it still looks good! lots of work!
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24649 |
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nice, so who is going to cut the grass on the other side of the fence ??? Sure is pretty chunk of land ! Jay |
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12155 |
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What are you trying to fence in? Or out?
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33863 |
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Renter has forty to fifty cows on our place along with a neighboring property. We have a 21 acre brome field they bale each year then pasture on a additional 50+ acres of ours, the fence is to keep the cattle off that field for most of the year, they do let them graze it down just after first frost. That saggy section is a gap from a transfer lane that connects our southwest pasture to the other farm north of us, I generally mow that down Summer and just about now but been busy!! The longer fence is along a draw/drainage ditch also off the other farm down into ours just west of my barn.
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12155 |
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Well, you do you, and good luck. Any calves or 1 year olds in the cattle? In my experience, calling a hot wire useless is a pretty bold statement. For me, a plain barb wire fence is also nearly useless after a fashion. As easy as it draws blood on you, cows love to itch their neck and butts on it and before you know it’s all saggy. Same with reaching over or more so under , then the bottom wire gets stretched out and thee calves can get on the other side, which that tends to make momma rather anxious, which in turn gets the rest of the herd anxious rendering your fence a mere suggestion easily ignored. A properly grounded electric fence with a quality strong charger is invaluable augmenting a well structured barb fence. I always integrate them together.
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33863 |
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Fences I have put up to date standing tall and tight, look them over once a year for tension and no issues with sags or calves getting thru YET. Hot wire is fine unless cloudy one day too many, if don't put up two strands small calves walk under so set a single lower and large cows walk over, harder headed old cows push until snaps getting bit and do not care as have seen them do it. Any ditches just makes it worse.
Our MFA still gets and I still use creosote treated post, know are pressure treated as the cuts for cross bars are dark and oily all the way in the cuts. Use 6" and 8" as that is what generally carry here. Have ONLY used OK brand 12 1/2ga four point last nine years(now sold as Orschlen's Store Brand), High Tensile strength does not stretch so easy, once tensioned takes a set after first really hot day then add tensioner winches and stays tight. Edited by DMiller - 06 Oct 2019 at 1:41pm |
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Dakota Dave ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: ND Points: 3971 |
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I maintain 6 quarter sections of pasture. The hot wire fence works great. I has to be well grounded. And kept tight. We have two hot strande one about 18" and one about 36". Along the highway were we've had problems I've but a grounded wire between the two. It's a short 1/4 mile section. All the fences have 100 mile range fencers and I keep the brush clear. Cows are well trained and won't even cross over a opened gate that's laying on the ground. I run all the fences that we have cows in each week and check. It only takes a couple hours on the Polaris. Most of the fences are 8" wooden corner posts a T post every 10 posts and the rest are step ins made from 1/2" rebar 4' long with 1' in the ground. We have 4 strand barb wire on the permanent sections but I still needed to run a electric on a stand off or the cows just rub against it till they break a couple posts and push on through.
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Michael V (NM) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: NM Points: 2464 |
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Fence rules as I was told,,3 wires if ya want them to get out and get back in,,4 wires to get out and not get back in,, 5 wires they stay in!
For hot wires, cattle need to be well broke to hot wire, around here, 5 wire barb wire is pretty much the rule and mostly used... |
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12155 |
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Naturally I knew ahead of time anything I had to say would be totally worthless to you, which is why I said from the beginning you do you.
So, a solar powered fence it seems..., yeah, not what I meant by a quality energizer ![]() One thing for certain, well fed cows makes for good fences. One or 2 strands?! Please, is that even a fence? Let's get real! Now if you’ll excuse me, there’s another wall I see over there that looks lonely. Edited by Tbone95 - 07 Oct 2019 at 2:34pm |
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12155 |
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Interesting lesson in grounding this spring for anyone interested. I bought a digital volt meter for fences this spring from Gallagher. Reading through the reference material, it mentioned being sure that there was less than a certain voltage on the ground wire. I was like WTF??? How can there be more than a few milivolts on a short few feet of wire running straight to a rod going 8 feet into the ground??? So I measured it just for fun and holy crap! There was like 6000+ volts on it. It doesn’t shock you because it still discharges into the ground rod easier than your body. I added 3 more ground rods, each 45 feet apart and all connected together with a solid wire. Ground voltage dropped well below the recommended level, and basically all of that voltage added to the fence voltage. It will jump to a cow’s nose, and they stay BACK!
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12155 |
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Even better, clamp every other barb wire to the ground wire! Haven’t done that yet because I’ll be moving the run of fence that feeds the loop.
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 87595 |
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Tbone...I think you guys up north got them SMART COWS.... The ones down in Missouri and Southern Illinois are TRAINED to be slow and dumb....Keeps the fence maintenance to a minimum !!
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12155 |
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Maybe Steve! I’ve called my cows a lot of things over the years, don’t remember “smart” as one of them!!
One thing for sure, between snow drifts, deer, wet springs, and reaching/ inquisitive cows and calves, barb wire will sag in time. They all need maintenance. |
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shameless dude ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Apr 2017 Location: east NE Points: 13607 |
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best tester on them lectric fences...just pee on them!
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200 10and20 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Jun 2019 Location: Tim Buk Tu Points: 217 |
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chaskaduo ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 26 Nov 2016 Location: Twin Cities Points: 5200 |
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So that's what happened to you.
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1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12155 |
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That'll be a hard pass on the peeing there shameless. No thanks. Had a buddy of mine when we were young wonder what would happen. I said I wouldn't do that if I were him, as I'd felt what it felt like on your hand. He....still wondered.....and he about ripped his weenie off getting away from there. And that was in the days before the modern low impedance ones we have now. I got a wire tangled up in my glove as I threw it over the wire. Took me a minute to realize what happened, as I was laying on my back, looking up at the sky, wondering why in the heck my arm hurt so bad. Then saw the tie wire I tried to throw over the fence dangling from the electric wire. Oh yeeeaaaaahhhhh......
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Ray54 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4724 |
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![]() ![]() Starting to use more electric but solar or battery is all that is practical in 99% 0f places I want to use it. Have to run a dedicate ground wire the whole length as the dry ground will not ground a hoof good enough. But always have another between cows and traffic.
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33863 |
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When it dries down here the hot wire sets lose ground ability too. We try to compensate but little will do when the cows figure out the hot wire is NOT so hot, and they do test it on their own often enough. Four wire was what was here for close to fifty years according to neighbors, not been a problem and seems clover with warm season grasses and fescue do well for common feed ground.
Edited by DMiller - 08 Oct 2019 at 8:45am |
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12155 |
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3 or 4 ground rods, the fence stays 11-14000 Volts all year, even on the dry ground. If it gets under 10,000, there's a problem somewhere, usually a deer tangle. 5 strands, every other strand hot, the others barb, the barb connected to the ground rod directly. They have to touch hot and ground together to stick their nose through, they will get shocked hard. If they can "learn" your hot wire is not so hot, you have a weak/crappy energizer.
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