Breakout force 653 dozer

Have a guy arguing apples and oranges on a need for his farm on another forum. He is limited on haul weight where he is looking for a 11000 or less pound machine, he found a 653 6 way angle dozer(Ask is $9000) and thinks he can build roads, root trees, push boulders where his 50hp tractor runs out of steam.

What is the breakout force on a 653? And the base weight with a inside frame 6way blade. It does have a tail winch.

I have a HD4, pretty much older version. It will do a whole lot. Can't move what a D5-6 Cat will at same time, but it earns its keep. Like you said it is a great finisher after a larger machine. We dug my pond with a D6 Cat and my HD4, worked very well. Mine does have the inside heavy 6 way blade. HTH Tracy

Dave: The 653 thread in HEF might accomplish some of what he has planned but not all. 

He may want to check into leasing a used machine . A neighbor got had a dozer for quite some time and I sure he had payments near reasonable ???

He could do the job with a 653 or in fact with a shovel and wheelbarrow 
It's not always the size of a machine but how its used and by who. 
 I was digging a basement for house with my HD5 and owner borrowed a 955 from some friend of his and was doing other work on property . 
 Complete disaster in his work and waste of time and effort . He tried to take out a silo foundation for about a hour - asked him if he wanted me to remove it - mentioned my little machine would do nothing - 20 minutes later I had it all in a pile 50 ft from where it had been 
 Slow and steady and knowledge of how to run a machine and it's limits of makes a difference . 
 Yes the finals are subject to failure on those small machines IF overloaded - broke couple axles on my HD4 and had to have both rear cases repaired as outboard bearing races failed also and case needed to be bored and incerts put in. 
 HD5G will outpush and outwork a HD4 / 653 size machine - did a lot of road building . tree moving - land clearing , and basement excavation with my HD5G machine 

Edited by Coke-in-MN - 12 Feb 2018 at 8:42am

coke is right. It depends on the knowledge and skill of the operator. Everyone who has ran a dozer and is very knowledgeable on how to maneuver the equipment can do a lot with a 653 or HD4 .

DMiller wrote: Have a guy arguing apples and oranges on a need for his farm on another forum. He is limited on haul weight where he is looking for a 11000 or less pound machine, he found a 653 6 way angle dozer(Ask is $9000) and thinks he can build roads, root trees, push boulders where his 50hp tractor runs out of steam. What is the breakout force on a 653? And the base weight with a inside frame 6way blade. It does have a tail winch.

Edited by JoeO(CMO) - 15 Feb 2018 at 6:57am

Good story Coke.

I remember being 19 and working for construction company. Was backfilling an open cut trench with a JD 459 dozer. I was in the trench moving backfill from under a conveyor to the front of the cut to keep walls shored up. I learned that any hump you leave will have a teetotter effect when you back over it in reverse. About bounced me out of the seat in front of the entire crew. They all had a great laugh at the goofy kid playing Operator! I learned fast.

It IS important to know the machine, not only it's rated capacity, but also it's strengths and weaknesses...

But most important to know thy task. If you're scraping off topsoil that's loose, and you've got good footing on a level surface, darned near ANY machine will do it... but when the material is variable, the blade load and tractive effort change substantially.

Moreso, one must know thy opponent. A tree root has much more resistance than sandy loam. If you're trying to remove a tree that has a root structure that's shallow, cutting the roots on one side means you can push it over and get under it... but if you don't, you just beat up the machine. If it's a concrete foundation, the operator must have a clear idea of what the foundation's strong and weak points are... where the slabs, walls, and footings sit, and then start at the weak points, break it apart. with ANY machine, when you're talking about abilities under a challenging task, it's Divide and Conquer. Doesn't matter if it's a dozer, a backhoe, or a skid-steer.

I've pulled out 60' tall trees by the roots with my unballasted B and a $50.00 electric chain saw, a spade, and 90' of rope...

But the one thing about having substantially bigger machine... is if the operator doesn't know what he's doing, he'll typically get it stuck before breaking it.   

Edited by DaveKamp - 27 Feb 2018 at 9:07am