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    Posted: 08 Jun 2013 at 4:59pm
heres a picture of my 4.980 od /4.625id sleeve and sleeve installation tool the one on table behind it is cruder its for a sb2 block .  
block with 5.080 od/4.875 id sleeve installed


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Huh?  A picture of a simple driver tool that anyone with a lathe can make, for sleves not even in the block in other pictures.  Another picture of a motor you are freshining up for someone else trying to pass off as your own, that you posted before, built by someone else.  Lets not forget the picture of a caliper that is way off the bore and irrelivent to anything other than showing that you can measure with a tape measure as close as you can file a saw chain.

You call yourself a speed shop.  At best you're barely smart enough to order new sleves from Ray to press in a block someone else machined.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mlpankey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2013 at 6:43pm
Rod its more than you have shown . The caliper is on the outside ledge showing the outside diameter of the sleeve. Sleeves were not ordered from Ray. they were turned down and cut to length on the lathe i made the sleeve tool from. I am shocked you didn't like the driver after all its shiny aluminum which usually catches your eye .  I know you are  envious  but don't let your envy defeat you so easily

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And your tractor is where?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mlpankey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2013 at 6:48pm
Originally posted by AC200Puller AC200Puller wrote:

And your tractor is where?
thats a good question where is rods tractor. 
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What did you make the sleeves from and when?
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Originally posted by Rod B Rod B wrote:

What did you make the sleeves from and when?
sleeves are milling sleeves. Turned and cut last week.
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Rob answer the question wheres you tractor ? back up your mouth your no better than spanky just a big mouth that likes to rattel on to here your self 1 photo that all we ask
You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul
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Originally posted by mlpankey mlpankey wrote:

Originally posted by Rod B Rod B wrote:

What did you make the sleeves from and when?
sleeves are milling sleeves. Turned and cut last week.
 
Really?  Those sleeves are from your old motor. I thought you were an advocate for displacement.   Why use 4.625 bore sleeves when you could use 4.875?  The tool you say is for 4.980 od 4.625 id sleve and is pictured on a sleeve that you claim to have made last week and trying to indicate are for this block. 
 
The block you say is 4.875 bore with a 5.080 od sleeve.  But don't try to pass that off as something you did, the bores are used.  You've said prior to this that the engine is in for freshning and you didn't build it.  Get better at lying and keep your numbers straight, next time you may get a story to stick togather longer than your engine.  Which at least you thanked people for makeing your parts and doing your work.
 
I don't see pictures of that Gleason in the backround either.


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Originally posted by Rod B Rod B wrote:

Originally posted by mlpankey mlpankey wrote:

Originally posted by Rod B Rod B wrote:

What did you make the sleeves from and when?
sleeves are milling sleeves. Turned and cut last week.
 
Really?  Those sleeves are from your old motor. I thought you were an advocate for displacement.   Why use 4.625 bore sleeves when you could use 4.875?  The tool you say is for 4.980 od 4.625 id sleve and is pictured on a sleeve that you claim to have made last week and trying to indicate are for this block. 
 
The block you say is 4.875 bore with a 5.080 od sleeve.  But don't try to pass that off as something you did, the bores are used.  You've said prior to this that the engine is in for freshning and you didn't build it.  Get better at lying and keep your numbers straight, next time you may get a story to stick togather longer than your engine.  Which at least you thanked people for makeing your parts and doing your work.
 
I don't see pictures of that Gleason in the backround either.
simple for most to understand that some would rather have a sleeve that can be bored latter to cleanup than every cubic inch possible and others with deeper pockets wants it all.  Buisness is my name employees are help.

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Personally I dont care if RodB posts pics or not. Hes worth it in just in entertainment value alone, the way he exposes the Pankster. 
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I think they both need a big helping of shut the hell up. Whats the saying about arguing with an idiot....
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Pank if business is your aforementioned name, Risky must be the christian part of it. Nice All Thread head studs. too Classy. But let me guess, the previous builder did that. I.E, whoever you bought that particular engine from..

So whats wrong that you cant remove them easily? The first thing to be done is to remove them so they arent in the way of your tape measure. Secondly so that you can clean up that nasty looking deck, third, if you are reinstalling sleeves, you are gonna .....wait...maybe you dont know any better, but usually, you mill down the deck just a tad bit again.

So, with the all thread studs still in, it would go to show that you are just splashing around on the net again making noise, but not really intend (or are ready) to work on anything. 

Just have WI50 build you a motor capable of winning and go pulling..If only you hadnt sold your tractor....HEY! The Ballistic tractor is sitting in the back of his barn now that he got the alky Case going. and its a PROVEN winner. Buy it from him.  Ive got to go up there in a few weeks. For $250 ill bring it down back to east of Chicago for you. Saves you 12 hr round trip, so you can get back you all your customers and all their pulling drag racing and circle track needs.. :)
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This is a worse than a room full of sorority girls.   
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Originally posted by Glockhead SWMI Glockhead SWMI wrote:

I think they both need a big helping of shut the hell up. Whats the saying about arguing with an idiot....
the words dont get any bigger so i will say it this big AMEN!!!!
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Those studs cant be removed. When you go that big you have to tie the block together or you will pull the studs and head off. Any engine builder should know that.
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I am curious of the torque specs one would use to install cylinder head.i bet those "all-thread" studs just keep on stretching till they break.the material used in those threaded rods is of the poorest quality,close to re-bar.it looks like the "studs" are clearenced near the deck,is that to clear the ring compressor during assm?
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brandon none of the  cheerleading rods , the man, or wi know that .  They say a 4 3/4 bore is impossible .  Just showing pictures of  a large sleeve block and only .100 difference in od from the od of sleeves I been using since 2010 blows them away.  They are into little motors small bores short strokes and long rods.   well all thread can be had in schedule 80 and since all the all thread in the block  is larger in diameter than factory studs  it holds the fire rings pretty well.  no if the ring compressor was a issue  i would put the pistons /rods in from the bottom .    

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Originally posted by mlpankey mlpankey wrote:



brandon none of the  cheerleading rods , the man, or wi know that .  They say a 4 3/4 bore is impossible .  Just showing pictures of  a large sleeve block and only .100 difference in od from the od of sleeves I been using since 2010 blows them away.  They are into little motors small bores short strokes and long rods.   well all thread can be had in schedule 80 and since all the all thread in the block  is larger in diameter than factory studs  it holds the fire rings pretty well.  no if the ring compressor was a issue  i would put the pistons /rods in from the bottom .    


I hate to burst your bubble but pipe is schedule 40, 80, 10 etc. All thread rod as in other hardware is rated by GRADE . Another thing an engine builder would know.

I realize you aren't trying to get to the moon and back nor bright enough to build you anything to make it 320 feet down the track but at least getting to the track now and then would do a few of you fellas some good.

I just felt the need to save this post for few to enjoy. I wonder what the wall thickness of schedule 80 all thread would be?   
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yeap schedule 80 is pipe  grade 8 all thread  . been ordering pipe for the nuke plant and all thread for hangers  while typing .  Sometimes its hard to multi task .    I am in the shop and not in the field so i can assists sweeper in his large displacement build without crops rotting .

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How do you put the pistons in from the bottom? Kinda hard with that setup...

Order pipe for the plant, take some home. Typical liberal, you slack jawed hillbilly.

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Originally posted by mlpankey mlpankey wrote:



yeap schedule 80 is pipe  grade 8 all thread  . been ordering pipe for the nuke plant and all thread for hangers  while typing .  Sometimes its hard to multi task .    I am in the shop and not in the field so i can assists sweeper in his large displacement build without crops rotting .


Wow, just read the schedule 80 grade 8 pipe... I used to do a lot of pipe work and NEVER heard that one. This like the forged cast rods you invented a few months ago?   

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I'm not interested in being part of the fray, but I do have two questions on this.....please don't use this to further the argument.
My very limited experience in rebuilding WD/45's is that the sleeves just slip right in. why the need for an installing tool? and I didn't think it possible to install the pistons from the bottom, especially big ones, doesn't the webbing get in the way?
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Well bkarpel, the only person i know ignorant enough to install non removable studs, AND use all thread would probably be Shipman. Is that who did that block?? We know it wasn't pankey. 4.75 is not undo-able. My 4.63 motor has as large a counterbore as that with a nice strong sleeve holding it together. Just because you can does not mean you should. Do i think you could get way stupid on the structural integrity of a block and wedge a big bore in, sure. Do i think it's gonna end up I'n the scrap pile? Eventually, sooner rather than later. Especially with that monkey and football show you got there.

The only thing that will kinda help that engine live is that it is probably all hard block. That's probably why the sleeves are still In it and the studs are not removable. you are going to bore .206 out of it and push ANOTHER sleeve In a sleeve In hardblock. That's what it looks like to me.
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Lou, when the slugs get big they will not clear the webbing. Spankster is showing his lack of experience saying he'd put them in from the bottom. The sleeves would have to be to short to have any stroke if he could put the pistons in the bottom. Not much different then sched 80 all-thread or cast iron forging.

Nice pictures of Tarbills old motor on ytmag there pank. Trying to pass off boughten engine as one you built by not giveing credit where credit is due. lil sweeper should read this forum where wi50 had to show you how to get rods to clear on long strokes.
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well that's funny i took  a couple of the slugs out the bottom. I could see if you stayed center of the original bores how web could get in the way but Shipmans block moved the bores and studs. Tarbills engine is bored on center and you can see where on his webbing is in the way. Its amazing that i pay to learn and offer it up free and some on here still like rod and the Wisconsin cheerleaders can't grasp it.  Lou the sleeves are interference fit meaning they are .002 larger than the bore on average . Average meaning sleeve stock measured three places will measure three different measurements and have to be averaged. Unless the od was turned as the 4.980 sleeve pictured was by me . The inside bore will be averaged as well when bored cause sleeve will crush in and isn't perfectly round . This separates the ones who do from the ones who don't.

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Brandon tell the man how many years the karpells ran  to quote the mans  shipmans ignorance. Hard to call someone ignorant when you can't do something they have already done even when your seeing their work in pictorial form. I have always been one if i saw it done could repeat it. 
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I bet you can't post any pictures of you takeing the pistons out the bottom.  When the bores get offset they get closer to the main webbing.  The main webbing is also thicker to the sides than it is in the center.
 
Your last posts indicate a number of things we've known for a long time.  You have to buy your engines to try and pay to copy someone elses work.  You did say you need to see it for yourself and that you pay to learn.  A case of monkey see, monkey do.  But in your case it's monkey see, monkey try, monkey can't do, engine go boom. 
 
Others offer up the free advice on things they have thought out for themselves and done on their own and you have to take pictures of others work and post trying to pass as your own untill you get busted. 
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The studs cant be removed because hard block is holding the bottom of the block together. The all thread studs do not stretch. Its is not that hard to put pistion in with the long studs. Shipman builds motors a litte different but they last. When you go that big there is not alot of metal left in the block, so things have to changed.
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Originally posted by mlpankey mlpankey wrote:

brandon none of the  cheerleading rods , the man, or wi know that .  They say a 4 3/4 bore is impossible .  Just showing pictures of  a large sleeve block and only .100 difference in od from the od of sleeves I been using since 2010 blows them away.  They are into little motors small bores short strokes and long rods.   well all thread can be had in schedule 80 and since all the all thread in the block  is larger in diameter than factory studs  it holds the fire rings pretty well.  no if the ring compressor was a issue  i would put the pistons /rods in from the bottom .    
 
hey, i like my small little motor, dang right i like short stroke and short bore with long(er) rodsBig smile its cuase i pull farm stock meaning i have to use it on the farm, so in other words this motor has to live through running all day on the auger. its also cause i pull 1st gear only so i only need enough power for first, to much and it just hurts me. also as far as i know, and i may be wrong though is that schedule 80 is a plastic pipe used for plumbing fixtures like stools and sewer lines, not something used for a motor, but again i could be wrong
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